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Actually Mike the reason why ford and GM are ailing is no one is interested
in their hohum cars.
I am thinking of replacing my Avalon with a minivan. I drove the Ford,
Chrysler, Honda and Toyota. The Chrysler is $5k overpriced so they can
advertise a big rebate. I didn't bother getting pricing on the Ford because
it wasn't close to the other models in quality and features. Both the Honda
and Toyota are well priced. You can can a new Sienna CE which is their
cheapest model but still reasonably equipped with a discount that brings it
down to an amazing $18500. We will probably get a high end Odessey though.
There was no point in driving a GM minivan though.... they are pathetic.
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:rcCdna7jM6oYGOLeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Indeed GM and Fords market share are down, but their budget problems are
> akin to the federal government budget problem, extraordinarily high
> current expenses not lack of income. For the government it is war and
> disaster costs. For GM and Ford it is the costs of bringing their 20 or
> more all new models to market and the new more modern plants is which they
> are being built. GM currently has the largest number of top rated
> production facilities. Ford revised Rouge plant is state of the art and
> more efficient than any plant operated by Toyota or Honda. When it comes
> to cars, Toyotas rebates are actually higher than those of GM and Fords on
> their new 2006 models with which they compete.
>
> The anti domestic guys would have folks believe Toyotas never break down
> and never have recalls to fix things that may have gone wrong. As we saw
> in or business like all manufactures some of Toyotas vehicles are not up
> to snuff as well. They ALL break down and they all have recalls, that is
> why they all offer a warranty. The truth is they ALL are building good
> high quality reliable vehicles today. The only real difference is style
> and drive home price as well as the vast different in parts costs for
> imports an domestics.
>
> I fell for that Toyota is better stuff back in 1986 and bought seven Lexus
> V8s over the next ten years. When I was ready to buy another the dealer
> wanted me to pay MSRP and I walked. My experience with Lexus convinced me
> they were no better or worse than any other of the cars I have owned. I
> switch to a Lincoln LS and it proved to be just as good as the Lexus' I
> had owned, but the LS cost over 23K less. I added a few thousand and
> bought a Mustang GT convertible at the same time. Since that time I have
> owned several more LSs and GTs. Currently I have a 2005 LS Sport and a
> 2005 GT convertible and a 2006 Zephyr. I have not had a bad car among the
> dozens I have owned, in a longer time than I can remember. Both the
> domestic and the imports have all been trouble free Toyotas are good cars
> but no better than any other and certainly not worth the premium prices
> that the dealers charge you to drive one home
>
> The reason the anti domestic guys like to post GM and Fords problem in GM
> and Ford NG is simply because they are \ trying to justify to themselves
> the fact that they paid too much for a car that is in fact just another
> average car. ;)
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> .
> "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
> news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said on
>>> Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent of its
>>> North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger
>>> restructuring plan.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its margins
>>> squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a dramatic
>>> slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large SUVs due to
>>> high gasoline prices.
>>>
>>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their credit
>>> ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>>
>>
>> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
>> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
>> a Toyota.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Then I would think you'd know about "production engineering' and MBA's
influence on them.
Care to modify your statement?
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Actually I worked for Kodak 5 years. I know exactly how things work
> in big companies.
>
>
>>> I hope they fire the guy who designed the
>>> straps holding the Ford 500 gas tanks in place.
>>
>> You REALLY dont know how things work in production monoliths, do you!
>>
>> Why would you fire a guy for doing what he's told to do?
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
Nope. Ford has been strapping gas tanks to cars for a hundred years. No
excuse for the screw up. It would be like Kodak putting out film with leaky
cartridges. Ever hear of that happening?
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns971487D912EBpettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
> Then I would think you'd know about "production engineering' and MBA's
> influence on them.
>
> Care to modify your statement?
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I worked for Kodak 5 years. I know exactly how things work
>> in big companies.
>>
>>
>
>>>> I hope they fire the guy who designed the
>>>> straps holding the Ford 500 gas tanks in place.
>>>
>>> You REALLY dont know how things work in production monoliths, do you!
>>>
>>> Why would you fire a guy for doing what he's told to do?
>
>
>
> --
> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
> you pay..DEAL with it!
> Actually Mike the reason why ford and GM are ailing is no one is
> interested in their hohum cars.
>
> I am thinking of replacing my Avalon with a minivan. I drove the
> Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota. The Chrysler is $5k overpriced so
> they can advertise a big rebate. I didn't bother getting pricing on
> the Ford because it wasn't close to the other models in quality and
> features. Both the Honda and Toyota are well priced. You can can a
> new Sienna CE which is their cheapest model but still reasonably
> equipped with a discount that brings it down to an amazing $18500. We
> will probably get a high end Odessey though. There was no point in
> driving a GM minivan though.... they are pathetic.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:rcCdna7jM6oYGOLeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> Indeed GM and Fords market share are down, but their budget problems
>> are akin to the federal government budget problem, extraordinarily
>> high current expenses not lack of income. For the government it is
>> war and disaster costs. For GM and Ford it is the costs of bringing
>> their 20 or more all new models to market and the new more modern
>> plants is which they are being built. GM currently has the largest
>> number of top rated production facilities. Ford revised Rouge plant
>> is state of the art and more efficient than any plant operated by
>> Toyota or Honda. When it comes to cars, Toyotas rebates are actually
>> higher than those of GM and Fords on their new 2006 models with which
>> they compete.
>>
>> The anti domestic guys would have folks believe Toyotas never break
>> down and never have recalls to fix things that may have gone wrong.
>> As we saw in or business like all manufactures some of Toyotas
>> vehicles are not up to snuff as well. They ALL break down and they
>> all have recalls, that is why they all offer a warranty. The truth
>> is they ALL are building good high quality reliable vehicles today.
>> The only real difference is style and drive home price as well as the
>> vast different in parts costs for imports an domestics.
>>
>> I fell for that Toyota is better stuff back in 1986 and bought seven
>> Lexus V8s over the next ten years. When I was ready to buy another
>> the dealer wanted me to pay MSRP and I walked. My experience with
>> Lexus convinced me they were no better or worse than any other of the
>> cars I have owned. I switch to a Lincoln LS and it proved to be just
>> as good as the Lexus' I had owned, but the LS cost over 23K less. I
>> added a few thousand and bought a Mustang GT convertible at the same
>> time. Since that time I have owned several more LSs and GTs.
>> Currently I have a 2005 LS Sport and a 2005 GT convertible and a 2006
>> Zephyr. I have not had a bad car among the dozens I have owned, in a
>> longer time than I can remember. Both the domestic and the imports
>> have all been trouble free Toyotas are good cars but no better than
>> any other and certainly not worth the premium prices that the
>> dealers charge you to drive one home
>>
>> The reason the anti domestic guys like to post GM and Fords problem
>> in GM and Ford NG is simply because they are \ trying to justify to
>> themselves the fact that they paid too much for a car that is in fact
>> just another average car. ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> .
>> "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
>> news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>>>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>>>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said
>>>> on Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent
>>>> of its North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger
>>>> restructuring plan.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its
>>>> margins squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a
>>>> dramatic slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large
>>>> SUVs due to high gasoline prices.
>>>>
>>>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their
>>>> credit ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>>>
>>>
>>> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
>>> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
>>> a Toyota.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Questions: If Iraq started making cars next year.
Would you buy one?
Would you give them tax abatements for building in your state?
Toyota and Honda offer rebates as well. At least you did not have your
mind made up before up shopped. LOL
An astute buyer will always drive all those that meets the needs, then buy
the one with the total drive home price that best suits their budget.
mike
"Thadius Fudpucker" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:dF6gf.136800$tD4.17217@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually Mike the reason why ford and GM are ailing is no one is
>> interested in their hohum cars.
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my Avalon with a minivan. I drove the
>> Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota. The Chrysler is $5k overpriced so
>> they can advertise a big rebate. I didn't bother getting pricing on
>> the Ford because it wasn't close to the other models in quality and
>> features. Both the Honda and Toyota are well priced. You can can a
>> new Sienna CE which is their cheapest model but still reasonably
>> equipped with a discount that brings it down to an amazing $18500. We
>> will probably get a high end Odessey though. There was no point in
>> driving a GM minivan though.... they are pathetic.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:rcCdna7jM6oYGOLeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> Indeed GM and Fords market share are down, but their budget problems
>>> are akin to the federal government budget problem, extraordinarily
>>> high current expenses not lack of income. For the government it is
>>> war and disaster costs. For GM and Ford it is the costs of bringing
>>> their 20 or more all new models to market and the new more modern
>>> plants is which they are being built. GM currently has the largest
>>> number of top rated production facilities. Ford revised Rouge plant
>>> is state of the art and more efficient than any plant operated by
>>> Toyota or Honda. When it comes to cars, Toyotas rebates are actually
>>> higher than those of GM and Fords on their new 2006 models with which
>>> they compete.
>>>
>>> The anti domestic guys would have folks believe Toyotas never break
>>> down and never have recalls to fix things that may have gone wrong.
>>> As we saw in or business like all manufactures some of Toyotas
>>> vehicles are not up to snuff as well. They ALL break down and they
>>> all have recalls, that is why they all offer a warranty. The truth
>>> is they ALL are building good high quality reliable vehicles today.
>>> The only real difference is style and drive home price as well as the
>>> vast different in parts costs for imports an domestics.
>>>
>>> I fell for that Toyota is better stuff back in 1986 and bought seven
>>> Lexus V8s over the next ten years. When I was ready to buy another
>>> the dealer wanted me to pay MSRP and I walked. My experience with
>>> Lexus convinced me they were no better or worse than any other of the
>>> cars I have owned. I switch to a Lincoln LS and it proved to be just
>>> as good as the Lexus' I had owned, but the LS cost over 23K less. I
>>> added a few thousand and bought a Mustang GT convertible at the same
>>> time. Since that time I have owned several more LSs and GTs.
>>> Currently I have a 2005 LS Sport and a 2005 GT convertible and a 2006
>>> Zephyr. I have not had a bad car among the dozens I have owned, in a
>>> longer time than I can remember. Both the domestic and the imports
>>> have all been trouble free Toyotas are good cars but no better than
>>> any other and certainly not worth the premium prices that the
>>> dealers charge you to drive one home
>>>
>>> The reason the anti domestic guys like to post GM and Fords problem
>>> in GM and Ford NG is simply because they are \ trying to justify to
>>> themselves the fact that they paid too much for a car that is in fact
>>> just another average car. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>>>>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>>>>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said
>>>>> on Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent
>>>>> of its North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger
>>>>> restructuring plan.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its
>>>>> margins squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a
>>>>> dramatic slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large
>>>>> SUVs due to high gasoline prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their
>>>>> credit ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
>>>> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
>>>> a Toyota.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Questions: If Iraq started making cars next year.
> Would you buy one?
> Would you give them tax abatements for building in your state?
>
>
On 11/20/05 4:20 PM, in article
dF6gf.136800$tD4.17217@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com, "Thadius Fudpucker"
<none@nomail.com> wrote:
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually Mike the reason why ford and GM are ailing is no one is
>> interested in their hohum cars.
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my Avalon with a minivan. I drove the
>> Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota. The Chrysler is $5k overpriced so
>> they can advertise a big rebate. I didn't bother getting pricing on
>> the Ford because it wasn't close to the other models in quality and
>> features. Both the Honda and Toyota are well priced. You can can a
>> new Sienna CE which is their cheapest model but still reasonably
>> equipped with a discount that brings it down to an amazing $18500. We
>> will probably get a high end Odessey though. There was no point in
>> driving a GM minivan though.... they are pathetic.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:rcCdna7jM6oYGOLeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> Indeed GM and Fords market share are down, but their budget problems
>>> are akin to the federal government budget problem, extraordinarily
>>> high current expenses not lack of income. For the government it is
>>> war and disaster costs. For GM and Ford it is the costs of bringing
>>> their 20 or more all new models to market and the new more modern
>>> plants is which they are being built. GM currently has the largest
>>> number of top rated production facilities. Ford revised Rouge plant
>>> is state of the art and more efficient than any plant operated by
>>> Toyota or Honda. When it comes to cars, Toyotas rebates are actually
>>> higher than those of GM and Fords on their new 2006 models with which
>>> they compete.
>>>
>>> The anti domestic guys would have folks believe Toyotas never break
>>> down and never have recalls to fix things that may have gone wrong.
>>> As we saw in or business like all manufactures some of Toyotas
>>> vehicles are not up to snuff as well. They ALL break down and they
>>> all have recalls, that is why they all offer a warranty. The truth
>>> is they ALL are building good high quality reliable vehicles today.
>>> The only real difference is style and drive home price as well as the
>>> vast different in parts costs for imports an domestics.
>>>
>>> I fell for that Toyota is better stuff back in 1986 and bought seven
>>> Lexus V8s over the next ten years. When I was ready to buy another
>>> the dealer wanted me to pay MSRP and I walked. My experience with
>>> Lexus convinced me they were no better or worse than any other of the
>>> cars I have owned. I switch to a Lincoln LS and it proved to be just
>>> as good as the Lexus' I had owned, but the LS cost over 23K less. I
>>> added a few thousand and bought a Mustang GT convertible at the same
>>> time. Since that time I have owned several more LSs and GTs.
>>> Currently I have a 2005 LS Sport and a 2005 GT convertible and a 2006
>>> Zephyr. I have not had a bad car among the dozens I have owned, in a
>>> longer time than I can remember. Both the domestic and the imports
>>> have all been trouble free Toyotas are good cars but no better than
>>> any other and certainly not worth the premium prices that the
>>> dealers charge you to drive one home
>>>
>>> The reason the anti domestic guys like to post GM and Fords problem
>>> in GM and Ford NG is simply because they are \ trying to justify to
>>> themselves the fact that they paid too much for a car that is in fact
>>> just another average car. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>>>>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>>>>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said
>>>>> on Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent
>>>>> of its North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger
>>>>> restructuring plan.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its
>>>>> margins squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a
>>>>> dramatic slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large
>>>>> SUVs due to high gasoline prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their
>>>>> credit ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
>>>> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
>>>> a Toyota.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Questions: If Iraq started making cars next year.
> Would you buy one?
> Would you give them tax abatements for building in your state?
>
>
They would probably manufacture flying carpets :))
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:P95gf.912$aA2.245@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Nope. Ford has been strapping gas tanks to cars for a hundred years. No
> excuse for the screw up. It would be like Kodak putting out film with
> leaky cartridges. Ever hear of that happening?
Did you read the details? The supplier changed the material, apprently
without Ford's concurence. Ford found the problem during extended life
testing. None have failed in the feild. It is sort of like the way Toyota
discoverd the sludge problem during extensive life testing - oh wait, they
let the Customers do that for them didn't they. Oh well at least Toyta
iodentified that balljoint problem - oh wait, they let the Custmoer find
that one to. Oh well at leat they were on top of the Sienna gas tank falling
out, you know the same sort of problem as defective gas tank straps.
"Thadius Fudpucker" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:dF6gf.136800$tD4.17217@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually Mike the reason why ford and GM are ailing is no one is
>> interested in their hohum cars.
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my Avalon with a minivan. I drove the
>> Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota. The Chrysler is $5k overpriced so
>> they can advertise a big rebate. I didn't bother getting pricing on
>> the Ford because it wasn't close to the other models in quality and
>> features. Both the Honda and Toyota are well priced. You can can a
>> new Sienna CE which is their cheapest model but still reasonably
>> equipped with a discount that brings it down to an amazing $18500. We
>> will probably get a high end Odessey though. There was no point in
>> driving a GM minivan though.... they are pathetic.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:rcCdna7jM6oYGOLeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> Indeed GM and Fords market share are down, but their budget problems
>>> are akin to the federal government budget problem, extraordinarily
>>> high current expenses not lack of income. For the government it is
>>> war and disaster costs. For GM and Ford it is the costs of bringing
>>> their 20 or more all new models to market and the new more modern
>>> plants is which they are being built. GM currently has the largest
>>> number of top rated production facilities. Ford revised Rouge plant
>>> is state of the art and more efficient than any plant operated by
>>> Toyota or Honda. When it comes to cars, Toyotas rebates are actually
>>> higher than those of GM and Fords on their new 2006 models with which
>>> they compete.
>>>
>>> The anti domestic guys would have folks believe Toyotas never break
>>> down and never have recalls to fix things that may have gone wrong.
>>> As we saw in or business like all manufactures some of Toyotas
>>> vehicles are not up to snuff as well. They ALL break down and they
>>> all have recalls, that is why they all offer a warranty. The truth
>>> is they ALL are building good high quality reliable vehicles today.
>>> The only real difference is style and drive home price as well as the
>>> vast different in parts costs for imports an domestics.
>>>
>>> I fell for that Toyota is better stuff back in 1986 and bought seven
>>> Lexus V8s over the next ten years. When I was ready to buy another
>>> the dealer wanted me to pay MSRP and I walked. My experience with
>>> Lexus convinced me they were no better or worse than any other of the
>>> cars I have owned. I switch to a Lincoln LS and it proved to be just
>>> as good as the Lexus' I had owned, but the LS cost over 23K less. I
>>> added a few thousand and bought a Mustang GT convertible at the same
>>> time. Since that time I have owned several more LSs and GTs.
>>> Currently I have a 2005 LS Sport and a 2005 GT convertible and a 2006
>>> Zephyr. I have not had a bad car among the dozens I have owned, in a
>>> longer time than I can remember. Both the domestic and the imports
>>> have all been trouble free Toyotas are good cars but no better than
>>> any other and certainly not worth the premium prices that the
>>> dealers charge you to drive one home
>>>
>>> The reason the anti domestic guys like to post GM and Fords problem
>>> in GM and Ford NG is simply because they are \ trying to justify to
>>> themselves the fact that they paid too much for a car that is in fact
>>> just another average car. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>>>>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>>>>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said
>>>>> on Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent
>>>>> of its North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger
>>>>> restructuring plan.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its
>>>>> margins squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a
>>>>> dramatic slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large
>>>>> SUVs due to high gasoline prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their
>>>>> credit ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
>>>> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
>>>> a Toyota.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Questions: If Iraq started making cars next year.
> Would you buy one?
> Would you give them tax abatements for building in your state?
>
>
If it would help bring our soldiers home and the car was well built, suited
my needs and reasonably priced, why not. As far as state tax abatements go,
the most sickening one went to Dell in NC. I think they got $300 million in
subsidies.
Perhaps some of the people at Ford who write press releases need to be laid
off. If you have an entire department who's job it is to publicize recalls
to the world, you can bet the world will hear about them.
"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1FSgf.2363$aA2.109@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:P95gf.912$aA2.245@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Nope. Ford has been strapping gas tanks to cars for a hundred years. No
>> excuse for the screw up. It would be like Kodak putting out film with
>> leaky cartridges. Ever hear of that happening?
>
> Did you read the details? The supplier changed the material, apprently
> without Ford's concurence. Ford found the problem during extended life
> testing. None have failed in the feild. It is sort of like the way Toyota
> discoverd the sludge problem during extensive life testing - oh wait, they
> let the Customers do that for them didn't they. Oh well at least Toyta
> iodentified that balljoint problem - oh wait, they let the Custmoer find
> that one to. Oh well at leat they were on top of the Sienna gas tank
> falling out, you know the same sort of problem as defective gas tank
> straps.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed
>
"Scott" <homealone.com> wrote in message
news:11nup14nch8ev40@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Grover C. McCoury III" <gcmccoury@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rrCdnS1jnIyCpOLeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com...
>> Sat Nov 19, 2005
>> (Reuters) Ford Motor Co., facing a deepening financial crisis, said on
>> Friday it plans to eliminate 4,000 salaried jobs, or 10 percent of its
>> North American white-collar work force, as part of a larger restructuring
>> plan.
>>
>> A majority of the job cuts -- announced to employees in an e-mail
>> distributed by Mark Fields, president of Ford's Americas business -- will
>> be made in the first quarter of 2006, spokesman Oscar Suris said.
>>
>> The cuts will come through attrition, layoffs and the elimination of some
>> agency and contract positions, Suris said.
>>
>> They will be in addition to the 2,750 job losses already announced by the
>> automaker this year,
>>
>> Ford lost $284 million in the third quarter and its automotive division
>> is in the red. Its North American vehicle operations have lost more than
>> $1.4 billion before taxes so far this year.
>>
>> The company's shares have dropped more than 40 percent since the end of
>> 2004. They hit $7.57 per share on Thursday, the lowest in more than two
>> years, before rebounding to $8.41 per share on Friday.
>>
>> Ford Chairman and Chief Executive Bill Ford Jr. said last month that the
>> automaker will announce its long-awaited restructuring plan -- dubbed
>> "Way Forward" -- in January.
>>
>> He also warned that the plan would include "significant plant closings"
>> to help slash costs in North America.
>>
>> Fields and his team are expected to present Bill Ford with the
>> restructuring plan in December.
>>
>> Ford, like cross-town rival General Motors Corp., has seen its margins
>> squeezed by intense competition in the U.S. market and by a dramatic
>> slowdown in sales of cash cows such as mid-size and large SUVs due to
>> high gasoline prices.
>>
>> The two companies are also facing higher costs and a cut in their credit
>> ratings to high-yield, or "junk," status.
>
>
> How very sad. I have always had good luck with American cars,
> currently have five in the driveway. You just couldn't sell me
> a Toyota.
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