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Old 09-10-2005, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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&^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened....

Haulin' my son off to his favorite store so he could piss away his
hard earned allowance on some new video game in my '02 SD and BOOM!
The [bleep]ing engine pukes out the number 5 plug...

Anyone have any luck helicoiling these POS aluminum heads on the V10s
or is next weekend and my next paycheck shot to hell with a head
replacement?


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Old 09-10-2005, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened....

The bigsert has proven to be very successful,Ford does not like it because
they sell heads.Some ford owners have installed the Big Sert in all the plug
holes before they have problems.Just google Bigsert for information.
"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> Haulin' my son off to his favorite store so he could piss away his
> hard earned allowance on some new video game in my '02 SD and BOOM!
> The [bleep]ing engine pukes out the number 5 plug...
>
> Anyone have any luck helicoiling these POS aluminum heads on the V10s
> or is next weekend and my next paycheck shot to hell with a head
> replacement?
>
>



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Old 09-10-2005, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened....

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:48:54 -0700, "Chuck" <cstemple@pacifier.com>
wrote:

>The bigsert has proven to be very successful,Ford does not like it because
>they sell heads.Some ford owners have installed the Big Sert in all the plug
>holes before they have problems.Just google Bigsert for information.


Good to hear 'cuz the 2 dealers I spoke to today told me $1400 for the
head and 14 hours at $65/hr for labor. Roughly $2300 out the door.

I'll take a look at Big Sert and see what's up with that.. If I can
pull the head and fix it myself, I can have the truck back up and
running in a few evenings instead of "at least a week" like the dealer
is telling me.

>"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
>message news:hko6i1pppmgbnjur3kkbaddkfgmtt43gn4@4ax.com...
>> Haulin' my son off to his favorite store so he could piss away his
>> hard earned allowance on some new video game in my '02 SD and BOOM!
>> The [bleep]ing engine pukes out the number 5 plug...
>>
>> Anyone have any luck helicoiling these POS aluminum heads on the V10s
>> or is next weekend and my next paycheck shot to hell with a head
>> replacement?
>>
>>

>


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Old 09-10-2005, 23:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened....

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:48:54 -0700, "Chuck" <cstemple@pacifier.com>
wrote:

>The bigsert has proven to be very successful,Ford does not like it because
>they sell heads.Some ford owners have installed the Big Sert in all the plug
>holes before they have problems.Just google Bigsert for information.


Just spent several minutes looking at that Bigsert kit. Defintely the
ticket for me. I think since I'll have one valve cover off and the
kit comes with 5 inserts, I'll see how the 1st one goes and if it's
fairly straightforward, I'll go ahead and do all 10 jugs just to be
safe.

Gonna order on Monday for overnight delivery and hopefully get to
wrenching Tuesday. $200 and 4-5 hour labor for me sounds a lot better
than $2500 to get the same crappy head design...


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Old 09-12-2005, 08:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened.... - update

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:57:57 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
<skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:48:54 -0700, "Chuck" <cstemple@pacifier.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The bigsert has proven to be very successful,Ford does not like it because
>>they sell heads.Some ford owners have installed the Big Sert in all the plug
>>holes before they have problems.Just google Bigsert for information.

>
>Just spent several minutes looking at that Bigsert kit. Defintely the
>ticket for me. I think since I'll have one valve cover off and the
>kit comes with 5 inserts, I'll see how the 1st one goes and if it's
>fairly straightforward, I'll go ahead and do all 10 jugs just to be
>safe.
>
>Gonna order on Monday for overnight delivery and hopefully get to
>wrenching Tuesday. $200 and 4-5 hour labor for me sounds a lot better
>than $2500 to get the same crappy head design...
>

Called Ford first thing this morning. Nothing promised, but the guy I
spoke to said he'd received a lot of calls about this problem and
would "See what I can do for you."

Called my mechanic (the only other guy on the planet I'll ever let
work on my vehicles) and he said "I've done dozens of those insert
fixes. Bring in on over and we'll have it out of here Wednesday at
the latest" Just waiting on the tow truck right now...


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Old 09-13-2005, 01:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened.... - update

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:29:47 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
<skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote:


>Called Ford first thing this morning. Nothing promised, but the guy I
>spoke to said he'd received a lot of calls about this problem and
>would "See what I can do for you."
>
>Called my mechanic (the only other guy on the planet I'll ever let
>work on my vehicles) and he said "I've done dozens of those insert
>fixes. Bring in on over and we'll have it out of here Wednesday at
>the latest" Just waiting on the tow truck right now...


Talked to the mech today.. Right side of the engine is done already.
They're gonna do the left side tomorrow and think they'll be done late
afternoon.. Thay haven't had to remove the head(s) so I may be back
in biz for less than $500 total... Much nicer than the $2500 I was
quoted on the phone Saturday for the same screwed up head design.

Still gonna hit up Ford for the fix...

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Old 09-13-2005, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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Kevin,

What is the mileage on your truck, and build date if known?

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:29:47 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
> <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote:
>
>
>>Called Ford first thing this morning. Nothing promised, but the guy I
>>spoke to said he'd received a lot of calls about this problem and
>>would "See what I can do for you."
>>
>>Called my mechanic (the only other guy on the planet I'll ever let
>>work on my vehicles) and he said "I've done dozens of those insert
>>fixes. Bring in on over and we'll have it out of here Wednesday at
>>the latest" Just waiting on the tow truck right now...

>
> Talked to the mech today.. Right side of the engine is done already.
> They're gonna do the left side tomorrow and think they'll be done late
> afternoon.. Thay haven't had to remove the head(s) so I may be back
> in biz for less than $500 total... Much nicer than the $2500 I was
> quoted on the phone Saturday for the same screwed up head design.
>
> Still gonna hit up Ford for the fix...
>



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Old 09-13-2005, 22:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: &^*^&*%^$#^@#! It happened.... - update

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:28:54 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

>Kevin,
>
>What is the mileage on your truck, and build date if known?


Just a tick over 71k. It was built mid-late summer of '01. I special
ordered it and took delivery 11/19/01

Got it back this afternoon and had the shop go ahead and do the 70k
service. $678... Not bad considering the dealer's alternative. Of
course, my ears were perked for any "odd" noises as I drove it home.


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Old 09-14-2005, 07:01   #9 (permalink)
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>Thay haven't had to remove the head(s)

Really? Back in 'the day' when I was riding MCs and VWs, I used
heli-coils to fixed stripped spark plug holes. I always had to remove
the heads, because the holes had to be tapped which would put metal
shavings into the cylinder. Are these new kits different from the old
heli-coils I use to use? Just have a great curiosity about
this....thanks

Dave S(Texas)

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Old 09-14-2005, 08:01   #10 (permalink)
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:00:43 -0500, putt@webtv.net wrote:

>>Thay haven't had to remove the head(s)

>
>Really? Back in 'the day' when I was riding MCs and VWs, I used
>heli-coils to fixed stripped spark plug holes. I always had to remove
>the heads, because the holes had to be tapped which would put metal
>shavings into the cylinder. Are these new kits different from the old
>heli-coils I use to use? Just have a great curiosity about
>this....thanks


Evidently the tap used with a helicoil pushes the cut material ahead
of the tap. The tap (fluted?) used with these Time Serts doesn't do
that. I asked my mech about shavings. He said they fill the hole
with grease to catch any shavings then use a shopvac with a tiny hose
to stick into the cylinder and suck out anything that may have fallen
in.

Pretty cool fix if you ask me..


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