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Old 02-10-2006, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
wolfpuppy
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Linc. Nav. radio function

I notice with my '99 Lincoln Navigator that after shutting of the engine,
the radio will continue to play, even when the key is removed, then turning
off, as it should do, when the door is opened to exit. Now, I understand
why it would go off after opening the door--that only makes sense. And I
thought the idea of being able to continue to listen to music on the stereo
with the engine off was a good one, too. But, while waiting for a bay to
open at the local JiffyLube for my overdue oil change and listening to the
radio, it simply shut off after around four or five minutes. I could
"reactivate" the radio by turning the key to "on" and back again (without
starting the engine) and I could listen for another few minutes, and the
radio would go off again. This has happened before under the same
circumstances.

When I talked to a tech at a Ford dealership around here, he said that there
is no accessory mode, like all cars used to have, in the navigator. He went
on to say that Ford probably has some sort of smart chip in the system
someplace that notes the power drain and shuts the radio down after a few
minutes to preserve battery power. He guessed that the sound system in the
navigator, which I got to admit is pretty kickin', might draw enough watts
that to run it for very long with the engine off might result in problems
starting.

I was wondering if anyone out there has experienced this in their navigator
or, I would imagine, the expedition as well. If it does draw that much
power, I guess there isn't much I can do, nor should I. If it doesn't,
might there be a work-around whereby one could continue to listen to the
sound system without it shutting down quickly? Interesting problem, though.


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Old 02-10-2006, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
JohanB
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

IIRC your car has a battery saver relay

It should shut off after 5 min


"wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net> wrote in message
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> I notice with my '99 Lincoln Navigator that after shutting of the

engine,
> the radio will continue to play, even when the key is removed, then

turning
> off, as it should do, when the door is opened to exit. Now, I understand
> why it would go off after opening the door--that only makes sense. And I
> thought the idea of being able to continue to listen to music on the

stereo
> with the engine off was a good one, too. But, while waiting for a bay to
> open at the local JiffyLube for my overdue oil change and listening to the
> radio, it simply shut off after around four or five minutes. I could
> "reactivate" the radio by turning the key to "on" and back again (without
> starting the engine) and I could listen for another few minutes, and the
> radio would go off again. This has happened before under the same
> circumstances.
>
> When I talked to a tech at a Ford dealership around here, he said that

there
> is no accessory mode, like all cars used to have, in the navigator. He

went
> on to say that Ford probably has some sort of smart chip in the system
> someplace that notes the power drain and shuts the radio down after a few
> minutes to preserve battery power. He guessed that the sound system in

the
> navigator, which I got to admit is pretty kickin', might draw enough watts
> that to run it for very long with the engine off might result in problems
> starting.
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there has experienced this in their

navigator
> or, I would imagine, the expedition as well. If it does draw that much
> power, I guess there isn't much I can do, nor should I. If it doesn't,
> might there be a work-around whereby one could continue to listen to the
> sound system without it shutting down quickly? Interesting problem,

though.
>
>
>



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Old 02-11-2006, 02:01   #3 (permalink)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:32:06 -0500, "wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net>
wrote:

> I notice with my '99 Lincoln Navigator that after shutting of the engine,
>the radio will continue to play, even when the key is removed, then turning
>off, as it should do, when the door is opened to exit. Now, I understand
>why it would go off after opening the door--that only makes sense. And I
>thought the idea of being able to continue to listen to music on the stereo
>with the engine off was a good one, too. But, while waiting for a bay to
>open at the local JiffyLube for my overdue oil change and listening to the
>radio, it simply shut off after around four or five minutes. I could
>"reactivate" the radio by turning the key to "on" and back again (without
>starting the engine) and I could listen for another few minutes, and the
>radio would go off again. This has happened before under the same
>circumstances.
>
>When I talked to a tech at a Ford dealership around here, he said that there
>is no accessory mode, like all cars used to have, in the navigator. He went
>on to say that Ford probably has some sort of smart chip in the system
>someplace that notes the power drain and shuts the radio down after a few
>minutes to preserve battery power. He guessed that the sound system in the
>navigator, which I got to admit is pretty kickin', might draw enough watts
>that to run it for very long with the engine off might result in problems
>starting.
>
>I was wondering if anyone out there has experienced this in their navigator
>or, I would imagine, the expedition as well. If it does draw that much
>power, I guess there isn't much I can do, nor should I. If it doesn't,
>might there be a work-around whereby one could continue to listen to the
>sound system without it shutting down quickly? Interesting problem, though.


No problem exists, it's working as designed. My '02 SuperDuty does
this and I think the shutoff time is closer to 15 minutes.

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Old 02-11-2006, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
Spdloader
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

It's working properly, the wife's '04 Explorer has the same feature, and her
SportTrack before that.

Spdloader




"wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:db804$43ed308c$d84428fa$3015@FUSE.NET...
> I notice with my '99 Lincoln Navigator that after shutting of the
> engine, the radio will continue to play, even when the key is removed,
> then turning off, as it should do, when the door is opened to exit. Now,
> I understand why it would go off after opening the door--that only makes
> sense. And I thought the idea of being able to continue to listen to
> music on the stereo with the engine off was a good one, too. But, while
> waiting for a bay to open at the local JiffyLube for my overdue oil change
> and listening to the radio, it simply shut off after around four or five
> minutes. I could "reactivate" the radio by turning the key to "on" and
> back again (without starting the engine) and I could listen for another
> few minutes, and the radio would go off again. This has happened before
> under the same circumstances.
>
> When I talked to a tech at a Ford dealership around here, he said that
> there is no accessory mode, like all cars used to have, in the navigator.
> He went on to say that Ford probably has some sort of smart chip in the
> system someplace that notes the power drain and shuts the radio down after
> a few minutes to preserve battery power. He guessed that the sound system
> in the navigator, which I got to admit is pretty kickin', might draw
> enough watts that to run it for very long with the engine off might result
> in problems starting.
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there has experienced this in their
> navigator or, I would imagine, the expedition as well. If it does draw
> that much power, I guess there isn't much I can do, nor should I. If it
> doesn't, might there be a work-around whereby one could continue to listen
> to the sound system without it shutting down quickly? Interesting
> problem, though.
>



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Old 02-11-2006, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
wolfpuppy
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

Well, it is obvious from the postings here that the sound system is
working as designed. I would deduce, then, that the draw on the battery is
so high that ford didn't want people running their stereo with the engine
off. Doesn't seem like a stock system would be like that, but it is what it
is.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll just have to suck it up. Maybe I'll
get me a battery powered getto blaster for those times when the wife is in
the store and I'm not..:-0



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Old 02-11-2006, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

......or, you could go in with her, push her buggy, and hold her pocketbook
while she shops!

Be sure your shoes don't clash with the purse, though.


lol

Spdloader



"wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net> wrote in message
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> Well, it is obvious from the postings here that the sound system is
> working as designed. I would deduce, then, that the draw on the battery
> is so high that ford didn't want people running their stereo with the
> engine off. Doesn't seem like a stock system would be like that, but it
> is what it is.
>
> Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll just have to suck it up. Maybe
> I'll get me a battery powered getto blaster for those times when the wife
> is in the store and I'm not..:-0
>
>
>



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Old 02-11-2006, 13:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

Are you sure there is no 'accessory' position on the ignition switch?

"wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:9d0bc$43ee2ccd$d84426ac$26068@FUSE.NET...
> Well, it is obvious from the postings here that the sound system is
> working as designed. I would deduce, then, that the draw on the battery
> is so high that ford didn't want people running their stereo with the
> engine off. Doesn't seem like a stock system would be like that, but it
> is what it is.
>
> Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll just have to suck it up. Maybe
> I'll get me a battery powered getto blaster for those times when the wife
> is in the store and I'm not..:-0
>
>
>



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Old 02-12-2006, 08:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Are you sure there is no 'accessory' position on the ignition switch?
>


When I was talking to a ford tech at a local Lincoln dealership, he was
pretty adamant that ford discontinued that mode. I'm still not sure why.
My best guess is, again, that ford determined that the draw was too much on
the system and set it up to time out after a few minutes. One poster here
says it appears to around 15 minutes, but on my navigator, I would bet a
beer that it is less than that. Also, that could be because my sound system
might be different, read 'draws more'.

Many years ago, I owned a '67 volkswagon beetle. Had some issues, but a
fairly good car overall. It didn't have an accessory mode either, as I
recall. What I ended up doing was simply hard-wiring the radio straight to
the battery power. End of problem. Of course you had to be real careful to
remember to turn the radio off when you parked, but radios in that era
didn't pull nearly the watts they do now, so it wasn't a huge problem. Try
that now with a modern vehicle and you would probably give a computer chip a
nervous breakdown and the computer brain a stroke!


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Old 02-12-2006, 10:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

Odd. My '05 Excursion has an accessory position...insert key and turn
counterclockwise, play radio and open windows to heart's content. I haven't
used it enought to know if the radio goes off after 15 minutes, but it does
have the "pull the key and radio stays on for a few minutes or when the door
is opened, whichever comes first" mode, as did my wife's now-gone '04
Freestar.

"wolfpuppy" <togrul@fuse.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:Ro2dneL0ar1z2HPeRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>> Are you sure there is no 'accessory' position on the ignition switch?
>>

>
> When I was talking to a ford tech at a local Lincoln dealership, he was
> pretty adamant that ford discontinued that mode. I'm still not sure why.
> My best guess is, again, that ford determined that the draw was too much
> on the system and set it up to time out after a few minutes. One poster
> here says it appears to around 15 minutes, but on my navigator, I would
> bet a beer that it is less than that. Also, that could be because my
> sound system might be different, read 'draws more'.
>
> Many years ago, I owned a '67 volkswagon beetle. Had some issues, but a
> fairly good car overall. It didn't have an accessory mode either, as I
> recall. What I ended up doing was simply hard-wiring the radio straight
> to the battery power. End of problem. Of course you had to be real
> careful to remember to turn the radio off when you parked, but radios in
> that era didn't pull nearly the watts they do now, so it wasn't a huge
> problem. Try that now with a modern vehicle and you would probably give a
> computer chip a nervous breakdown and the computer brain a stroke!
>



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Old 02-14-2006, 15:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Linc. Nav. radio function

Odd. My '05 Excursion has an accessory position...insert key and turn
counterclockwise, play radio and open windows to heart's content. I haven't
used it enought to know if the radio goes off after 15 minutes, but it does
have the "pull the key and radio stays on for a few minutes or when the door
is opened, whichever comes first" mode, as did my wife's now-gone '04
Freestar.

Well, I believe I can put this puppy to rest. Today, after arriving home
from work, I decided to find out, once and for all, what is what. Here's
what I discovered.
Position 1--start
Position 2--run (radio runs always)
Position 3--off (no radio-key cannot be removed)
Position 4--Lock (key can be removed and the radio will play, in my
case anyway, for 10 minutes. I timed it.)
Position 5--Furthest position counterclockwise. Clock comes on.
Radio will play without shutting off.

This fifth position I did not know existed. I merely assumed that because
the radio played when the engine was shut off, that it would continue to do
so until you exited the vehicle. Evidentaly, this isn't the case. At any
rate, the previous poster was right--there is, in fact, an accessory
position. Never having had a vehicle that would play a radio when the
engine was off confused me, I guess. Now I know where to set the key when I
am waiting and listening. Thanks to all for your imputs.


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