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Old 10-21-2005, 16:01   #1 (permalink)
Doctor John
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The Midas touch

This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350 because
they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on all 4
wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost me to do
it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump bed - it won't
fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to crawling around in my dirt
driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing apart and told me I need
calipers all the way around - I looked it over and probably it does need
rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not including turning the rotors.
After I was resuscitated they put it back together (no charge), I drove out
of there and ordered the parts from NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and
rebuilt calipers for all wheels. Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt
doing a brake job, but I'm saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a
simple pad swap, but they do charge a bit for replacement hardware.

John


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Old 10-21-2005, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The Midas touch

Doctor John wrote:
> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350 because
> they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on all 4
> wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost me to do
> it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump bed - it won't
> fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to crawling around in my dirt
> driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing apart and told me I need
> calipers all the way around - I looked it over and probably it does need
> rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not including turning the rotors.
> After I was resuscitated they put it back together (no charge), I drove out
> of there and ordered the parts from NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and
> rebuilt calipers for all wheels. Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt
> doing a brake job, but I'm saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a
> simple pad swap, but they do charge a bit for replacement hardware.
>
> John
>
>


That's what they do. They loss lead the pad swap figuring most will need
more, higher margin, parts.
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Old 10-21-2005, 19:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: The Midas touch

What most people forget, is that you have a choice to say no, buy the parts,
and do it yourself, as the OP did here.

Midas, Monro, Pep Boys, Meineke, and a host of others all now subscribe to
MAP, a set of rules that they must go by in order to be accredited, that
simply states they must tell you what they find. It doesn't keep them all
honest, but most basically are honest guys just trying to make a living, and
doing it on commission.
Most people perceive it to be a load of salesmanship, and in some cases it
is. But, if they see something in your brakes that is dangerous, and don't
tell you, then you have an accident, they can be liable for not bringing it
to your attention, and get sued.
It is a catch 22 for them.
The price they gave you, while high initially, was for "loaded" calipers.
That included a complete caliper with pads and hardware. It would have come
with a lifetime warranty, including labor. If you plan on keeping your truck
and driving it for a long while, it would have been much cheaper in the long
run, but not in the short term. Everytime you wear out your pads, you get
the complete caliper all over again, as long as you own the truck.

Just my .02 c

Spdloader


"JimV" <jv9999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Doctor John wrote:
>> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
>> because they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on
>> all 4 wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost
>> me to do it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump
>> bed - it won't fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to crawling
>> around in my dirt driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing
>> apart and told me I need calipers all the way around - I looked it over
>> and probably it does need rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not
>> including turning the rotors. After I was resuscitated they put it back
>> together (no charge), I drove out of there and ordered the parts from
>> NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and rebuilt calipers for all wheels.
>> Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt doing a brake job, but I'm
>> saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a simple pad swap, but they
>> do charge a bit for replacement hardware.
>>
>> John

>
> That's what they do. They loss lead the pad swap figuring most will need
> more, higher margin, parts.



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Old 10-21-2005, 20:01   #4 (permalink)
Ron and Diane
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Re: The Midas touch

Tire Kingdom in Florida the same way.
I went in because I wanted them to check a tire that was making noise.
I bought a set of four from them.
Ten minutes later, I had an estimated bill for $1,300.
In ten minutes they saw both front wheel bearings bad, all six shocks were
worn and my tie rods were loose.
I also told them to just put it back the way it was, they charged $35.00 for
that.
I replaced the four front shocks and the tire noise went away.
A little bit of robbery without a gun, never will go back again!


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Old 10-22-2005, 01:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Doctor John" <nospamplease@stabarnd.net> wrote in message
news:9fabc$43596f9d$943fa6f4$7389@STARBAND.NET...
> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
> because they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on
> all 4 wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost
> me to do it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump
> bed - it won't fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to crawling
> around in my dirt driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing
> apart and told me I need calipers all the way around - I looked it over
> and probably it does need rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not
> including turning the rotors. After I was resuscitated they put it back
> together (no charge), I drove out of there and ordered the parts from NAPA
> for about $450 for premium pads and rebuilt calipers for all wheels. Soon
> I'll be crawling around in the dirt doing a brake job, but I'm saving over
> $600. Midas may be worth it for a simple pad swap, but they do charge a
> bit for replacement hardware.
>


How exactly was it determined that your calipers were shot?


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Old 10-22-2005, 01:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: The Midas touch


> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
> because
> they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on all 4
> wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost me to
> do


> The Midas mechanic took the whole thing apart and told me I need calipers
> all the way around - I looked it over and probably it does need rear
> calipers. The bill went to $1100 not including turning the rotors.


This is a typical visit to Midas..c'mon in for the $69.00 pad special, that
turns out to cost a grand or so.




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Old 10-22-2005, 03:01   #7 (permalink)
tom
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Re: The Midas touch

while your reasoning may be true or false, a "loaded caliper" is cheaper
than buying the pads and caliper separate
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:CBg6f.17003$Sg2.2006063@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> What most people forget, is that you have a choice to say no, buy the

parts,
> and do it yourself, as the OP did here.
>
> Midas, Monro, Pep Boys, Meineke, and a host of others all now subscribe to
> MAP, a set of rules that they must go by in order to be accredited, that
> simply states they must tell you what they find. It doesn't keep them all
> honest, but most basically are honest guys just trying to make a living,

and
> doing it on commission.
> Most people perceive it to be a load of salesmanship, and in some cases it
> is. But, if they see something in your brakes that is dangerous, and don't
> tell you, then you have an accident, they can be liable for not bringing

it
> to your attention, and get sued.
> It is a catch 22 for them.
> The price they gave you, while high initially, was for "loaded" calipers.
> That included a complete caliper with pads and hardware. It would have

come
> with a lifetime warranty, including labor. If you plan on keeping your

truck
> and driving it for a long while, it would have been much cheaper in the

long
> run, but not in the short term. Everytime you wear out your pads, you get
> the complete caliper all over again, as long as you own the truck.
>
> Just my .02 c
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "JimV" <jv9999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:36KdnWCmrJsRHsTenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Doctor John wrote:
> >> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
> >> because they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics

on
> >> all 4 wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have

cost
> >> me to do it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump
> >> bed - it won't fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to

crawling
> >> around in my dirt driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing
> >> apart and told me I need calipers all the way around - I looked it over
> >> and probably it does need rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not
> >> including turning the rotors. After I was resuscitated they put it back
> >> together (no charge), I drove out of there and ordered the parts from
> >> NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and rebuilt calipers for all

wheels.
> >> Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt doing a brake job, but I'm
> >> saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a simple pad swap, but

they
> >> do charge a bit for replacement hardware.
> >>
> >> John

> >
> > That's what they do. They loss lead the pad swap figuring most will need
> > more, higher margin, parts.

>
>



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Old 10-22-2005, 06:01   #8 (permalink)
Spdloader
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Re: The Midas touch

I wasn't reasoning, I was giving you direct knowledge from my experience
working for one of those companies as a regional manager for 13 years.

Spdloader



"tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> while your reasoning may be true or false, a "loaded caliper" is cheaper
> than buying the pads and caliper separate
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:CBg6f.17003$Sg2.2006063@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> What most people forget, is that you have a choice to say no, buy the

> parts,
>> and do it yourself, as the OP did here.
>>
>> Midas, Monro, Pep Boys, Meineke, and a host of others all now subscribe
>> to
>> MAP, a set of rules that they must go by in order to be accredited, that
>> simply states they must tell you what they find. It doesn't keep them all
>> honest, but most basically are honest guys just trying to make a living,

> and
>> doing it on commission.
>> Most people perceive it to be a load of salesmanship, and in some cases
>> it
>> is. But, if they see something in your brakes that is dangerous, and
>> don't
>> tell you, then you have an accident, they can be liable for not bringing

> it
>> to your attention, and get sued.
>> It is a catch 22 for them.
>> The price they gave you, while high initially, was for "loaded" calipers.
>> That included a complete caliper with pads and hardware. It would have

> come
>> with a lifetime warranty, including labor. If you plan on keeping your

> truck
>> and driving it for a long while, it would have been much cheaper in the

> long
>> run, but not in the short term. Everytime you wear out your pads, you get
>> the complete caliper all over again, as long as you own the truck.
>>
>> Just my .02 c
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "JimV" <jv9999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:36KdnWCmrJsRHsTenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > Doctor John wrote:
>> >> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
>> >> because they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics

> on
>> >> all 4 wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have

> cost
>> >> me to do it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump
>> >> bed - it won't fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to

> crawling
>> >> around in my dirt driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing
>> >> apart and told me I need calipers all the way around - I looked it
>> >> over
>> >> and probably it does need rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not
>> >> including turning the rotors. After I was resuscitated they put it
>> >> back
>> >> together (no charge), I drove out of there and ordered the parts from
>> >> NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and rebuilt calipers for all

> wheels.
>> >> Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt doing a brake job, but I'm
>> >> saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a simple pad swap, but

> they
>> >> do charge a bit for replacement hardware.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >
>> > That's what they do. They loss lead the pad swap figuring most will
>> > need
>> > more, higher margin, parts.

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 10-22-2005, 08:01   #9 (permalink)
Doctor John
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Re: The Midas touch

The calipers on the rear had worn out rubber dust boots and the technician
said he had to apply a lot of pressure to move the pistons when removing the
pads during inspection. They did look bad, but I really don't know if he
was giving me a line or not. They were not leaking. I figure for a couple
hundred extra bucks I can get a quality rebuilt caliper loaded with pads
from NAPA and do the install myself. The brakes are "weak" - even though
the pedal travel is OK, I have to mash them with tremendous effort to get
decent braking when pulling a 3 ton trailer.

John

"Advocate" <Advo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Doctor John" <nospamplease@stabarnd.net> wrote in message
> news:9fabc$43596f9d$943fa6f4$7389@STARBAND.NET...
>> This may be of interest - I went to Midas for brake pads on my F350
>> because they were going to charge me $180 for installed semi-metallics on
>> all 4 wheels and for the extra 60-80 bucks beyond what it would have cost
>> me to do it, it was worth it (the truck has dual rear tires and a dump
>> bed - it won't fit in my garage and I wasn't looking forward to crawling
>> around in my dirt driveway). The Midas mechanic took the whole thing
>> apart and told me I need calipers all the way around - I looked it over
>> and probably it does need rear calipers. The bill went to $1100 not
>> including turning the rotors. After I was resuscitated they put it back
>> together (no charge), I drove out of there and ordered the parts from
>> NAPA for about $450 for premium pads and rebuilt calipers for all wheels.
>> Soon I'll be crawling around in the dirt doing a brake job, but I'm
>> saving over $600. Midas may be worth it for a simple pad swap, but they
>> do charge a bit for replacement hardware.
>>

>
> How exactly was it determined that your calipers were shot?
>



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Old 10-22-2005, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:29:07 -0600, "Doctor John"
<nospamplease@stabarnd.net> wrote:

>The calipers on the rear had worn out rubber dust boots and the technician
>said he had to apply a lot of pressure to move the pistons when removing the
>pads during inspection. They did look bad, but I really don't know if he
>was giving me a line or not. They were not leaking. I figure for a couple
>hundred extra bucks I can get a quality rebuilt caliper loaded with pads
>from NAPA and do the install myself.


Or at least a rebuild kit.. No sense paying some shop $65+/hr when
you can turn your own wrenches for free..

>The brakes are "weak" - even though
>the pedal travel is OK, I have to mash them with tremendous effort to get
>decent braking when pulling a 3 ton trailer.


I hope that trailer has brakes on it.. "Weak" could mean inadequate
pads or even a bad hose.

>
>John


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