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Old 12-30-2005, 19:01   #1 (permalink)
box-bb-bb-bb-car
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"Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
> thinking of they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed
> w/auto trans. Any insight would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>


I have a 99 F350 Dually, which is essentially the same truck save
springs. When we bough ours (used) we test drove a 250 extended cab 4x4
and the F350 crew 2x4. The 250 had the Lariat cab, and was manual opposed
to the automatic on the 35o. Took the wife out in the 350 first, drove
about 10-12 miles, then took out the 250. Did not get a mile down the
road when she said I could turn it around. The 250 was louder and rougher
ride. Personally, I would rather not have the Duals, as you are always
having to watch your turns to be sure you can clear the 'pimples' in the
back.
As to load capacity, I have put two tone of gravel on it and it was like
I did not even have a load. Pulled a 24ft hitch type trailer with a Ford
2n on it (approx 1.5 ton total), and again, very smooth operation, even
going over some serious hills here in TN.

whichever you buy, be religious about oil changes, and change the filter
each time. My brother, brother-in-law, father and myself all run Rotella,
and my brother-inlaw and myself run the MobileOne synthetic oil filter
because of a finer particle filter size. My Brother-in-law recommends the
K&M <? may be K&W) air filters. Gives you around 8 more horse at cruising
RPM and less drag on the motor. He and my brother have both run these
engines in excess of 300k miles. I have only had mine a year, but I put
42000 on top of the 99k it had when I bought it. I expect to have it when
it rolls 400k
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Old 12-30-2005, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
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new tow vehicle

Hi all,

I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm thinking of
they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans. Any
insight would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jeff


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Old 12-30-2005, 20:01   #3 (permalink)
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The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have
to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that
you get the 350.


"Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
: Hi all,
:
: I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
thinking of
: they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans.
Any
: insight would be appreciated.
:
: Thanks,
:
: Jeff
:
:


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Old 12-30-2005, 22:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: new tow vehicle

Pin weight on the fifth wheels can be very heavy (like a ton). The size of
the trailer is a consideration in that, certainly. So it depends on how big
the fifth wheeler is.

In any case, it won't be a bad choice, but I agree with mellowed if the
trailer is on the bigger end of the spectrum. The shortbeds don't have room
for the trailer to jacknife when the pin is properly located, so most guys
use a slider to move the hitch back when they need to do some drastic
zig-zaggin.

The cab on the crew cab is just incredible. Unbelieveably roomy. It's
embarrassing almost.

"Mellowed" <nospam@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
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>
> The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have
> to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that
> you get the 350.
>
>
> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> : Hi all,
> :
> : I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
> thinking of
> : they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans.
> Any
> : insight would be appreciated.
> :
> : Thanks,
> :
> : Jeff
> :
> :
>
>



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Old 12-31-2005, 01:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Mellowed" <nospam@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
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>
> The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have
> to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that
> you get the 350.
>
>
> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> : Hi all,
> :
> : I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
> thinking of
> : they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans.
> Any
> : insight would be appreciated.
> :
> : Thanks,
> :
> : Jeff


That is a load of crap!
Depending on the year F-250 & F-350's often have the exact same springs!
More often than not the physical differences are non existent and the weight
rating differences are strictly on paper.

Before I bought my new 2005 F-450 6.0-Liter Power Stroke Turbo Diesel, I
towed a 9000 pound fifth wheel RV trailer and a 3 horse goose neck horse
trailer many thousands of miles with an F-250 4x4 460 gas truck, and the
only time the overloads touched their stops (you can see the clean spot on
the rubber stop) was in the rarest occasions going over rough terrain. With
a 1200 pound pin weight on the F-250, the rear was dropped about an inch, no
where near touching the overload springs, and far from sagging the springs.
I love my new F-450, and it's giant brakes, but the F-250 was more than up
to the task...



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Old 12-31-2005, 05:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: new tow vehicle

Jeff Banta wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm thinking of
> they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans. Any
> insight would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>

Whatever you get, if you get something with a short-bed, you will need a
sliding fifth wheel hitch. If you don't have one you could damage the
rear of the cab and the front of the trailer. The slider allows you to
shift the hitch back so that in situations where you have to turn tight
you will not hit the trailer. It slides forward for normal running so
the weight is where it should be. Over and ever so slightly in front of
the rear axle.
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: new tow vehicle

box-bb-bb-bb-car wrote:
> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
>>thinking of they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed
>>w/auto trans. Any insight would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>

>
>
> I have a 99 F350 Dually, which is essentially the same truck save
> springs. When we bough ours (used) we test drove a 250 extended cab 4x4
> and the F350 crew 2x4. The 250 had the Lariat cab, and was manual opposed
> to the automatic on the 35o. Took the wife out in the 350 first, drove
> about 10-12 miles, then took out the 250. Did not get a mile down the
> road when she said I could turn it around. The 250 was louder and rougher
> ride. Personally, I would rather not have the Duals, as you are always
> having to watch your turns to be sure you can clear the 'pimples' in the
> back.
> As to load capacity, I have put two tone of gravel on it and it was like
> I did not even have a load. Pulled a 24ft hitch type trailer with a Ford
> 2n on it (approx 1.5 ton total), and again, very smooth operation, even
> going over some serious hills here in TN.
>
> whichever you buy, be religious about oil changes, and change the filter
> each time. My brother, brother-in-law, father and myself all run Rotella,
> and my brother-inlaw and myself run the MobileOne synthetic oil filter
> because of a finer particle filter size. My Brother-in-law recommends the
> K&M <? may be K&W) air filters. Gives you around 8 more horse at cruising
> RPM and less drag on the motor. He and my brother have both run these
> engines in excess of 300k miles. I have only had mine a year, but I put
> 42000 on top of the 99k it had when I bought it. I expect to have it when
> it rolls 400k



You do not need a dualie to carry 2 tons effectively. I carry 2 tons of
salt at times in my K3500 SRW with no issues at all and you do not
really notice it in handling or breaking. As good sturdy 3/4 or 1 ton
with proper engine and gearing can be a very seriuos tow vehicle and
hauler.

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Old 12-31-2005, 06:01   #8 (permalink)
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You could get a F350 SRW or you could just add a leaf or two to the F250
because it has the same frame, brakes and rear axle as the 350 SRW. No
need for a dualie here.

Mellowed wrote:
> The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have
> to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that
> you get the 350.
>
>
> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> : Hi all,
> :
> : I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
> thinking of
> : they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans.
> Any
> : insight would be appreciated.
> :
> : Thanks,
> :
> : Jeff
> :
> :
>
>



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Old 12-31-2005, 08:01   #9 (permalink)
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Agreed. I tow my 5th wheel with a 350 SRW with no problems. My hitch
weight is 2300 lbs.


"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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: You could get a F350 SRW or you could just add a leaf or two to the
F250
: because it has the same frame, brakes and rear axle as the 350 SRW. No
: need for a dualie here.
:
: Mellowed wrote:
: > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will
have
: > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest
that
: > you get the 350.
: >
: >
: > "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: > news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
: > : Hi all,
: > :
: > : I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
: > thinking of
: > : they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto
trans.
: > Any
: > : insight would be appreciated.
: > :
: > : Thanks,
: > :
: > : Jeff
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:01   #10 (permalink)
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Gees, you are sure ignorant.



"351CJ" <351CJ@msn.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Mellowed" <nospam@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
: news:OWmtf.508$%W1.47@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
: >
: > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will
have
: > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest
that
: > you get the 350.
: >
: >
: > "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: > news:cGltf.1331$3I3.768@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
: > : Hi all,
: > :
: > : I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm
: > thinking of
: > : they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto
trans.
: > Any
: > : insight would be appreciated.
: > :
: > : Thanks,
: > :
: > : Jeff
:
: That is a load of crap!
: Depending on the year F-250 & F-350's often have the exact same
springs!
: More often than not the physical differences are non existent and the
weight
: rating differences are strictly on paper.
:
: Before I bought my new 2005 F-450 6.0-Liter Power Stroke Turbo Diesel,
I
: towed a 9000 pound fifth wheel RV trailer and a 3 horse goose neck
horse
: trailer many thousands of miles with an F-250 4x4 460 gas truck, and
the
: only time the overloads touched their stops (you can see the clean
spot on
: the rubber stop) was in the rarest occasions going over rough terrain.
With
: a 1200 pound pin weight on the F-250, the rear was dropped about an
inch, no
: where near touching the overload springs, and far from sagging the
springs.
: I love my new F-450, and it's giant brakes, but the F-250 was more
than up
: to the task...
:
:
:



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