Ronny TX

I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks
ago it wouldn't start. Old battery was way down,
so I tried charging it and it wouldn't build up. Put on new battery and
it started right up and I thought the problem was solved.

Week later it started up just fine and I went to the bank. Tried to
start it back up as it rolled backward. Something I seldom do. Motor
turned over fine;but wouldn't start. Stopped the vehicle completely and
tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?

Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the
starter itself just bad enough to not work part of the time? Before this
I had always thought that when the starter went bad,it went bad
completely. Am I wrong on that?

DanG

Aren't you glad those old starter relays are under $10? The
problem is more likely to have been corrosion on some one of the
cable ends.

(top posted for your convenience)
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Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net



"Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12001-4389D53D-611@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net...
>I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
> F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three
> weeks
> ago it wouldn't start. Old battery was way down,
> so I tried charging it and it wouldn't build up. Put on new
> battery and
> it started right up and I thought the problem was solved.
>
> Week later it started up just fine and I went to the bank. Tried
> to
> start it back up as it rolled backward. Something I seldom do.
> Motor
> turned over fine;but wouldn't start. Stopped the vehicle
> completely and
> tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a
> screwdriver
> between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter
> relay.
> Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a
> hearing
> aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from?
> Figure
> it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing
> sound too
> when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
>
> Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck
> started
> right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good
> and the
> starter itself just bad enough to not work part of the time?
> Before this
> I had always thought that when the starter went bad,it went bad
> completely. Am I wrong on that?
>

Ronny TX

Re: Starting Problem-Late 60's Ford Pickup F-100
Group: alt.trucks.ford Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2005, 10:48am From:
dgriff237@7cox.net > (DanG)
> Aren't you glad those old starter relays
> are under $10? The problem is more
> likely to have been corrosion on some
> one of the cable ends.
>(top posted for your convenience)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
> DanG (remove the sevens)
> dgriff237@7cox.net

Ronny:
Those parts are pretty cheap. :-) And I have thought before about
corrosion on those two wires connectors that go to the starter relay.
Didn't think about that this time though. And I need to check the wire
connection at the starter and clean that off just in case.

BTW,the 3 speed transmission finally went out on this old truck this
year. Had one problem with it several years ago where 1st gear hung up
and somethings came apart. Had another old transmission for extra
parts,took it all to a transmission place nearby and picked it up next
day and only paid $50 for that repair! :-) Less than $300 earlier this
year to have a junkyard transmission put in.
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"Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12001-4389D53D-611@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net...
I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks
ago it wouldn't start. Old battery was way down, so I tried charging it
and it wouldn't build up. Put on new battery and
it started right up and I thought the problem was solved.
Week later it started up just fine and I went to the bank. Tried to
start it back up as it rolled backward. Something I seldom do. Motor
turned over fine;but wouldn't start. Stopped the vehicle completely and
tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the
starter itself just bad enough to not work part of the time? Before this
I had always thought that when the starter went bad,it went bad
completely. Am I wrong on that?

clemslay@iname.com

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:48:13 -0600, Acts17-11@webtv.net (Ronny TX)
wrote:

>I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
>F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks

>tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
>between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
>Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
>aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
>it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
>when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
>
>Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
>right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the

Your screwdriver sparking probably chattered the motor,
its starter switch, and relay contacts (through its holding coil)
enough that it made better contact (for a short time).

Better starter drives have came out since then, if
it has never been rebuilt.
So, I would say rebuild the starter, later replace
the relay if needed. There are heavier relays
with a blue case from Standardized/Echlin/NAPA.
Blue goes well with a 66+ blue engine. :)

Ronny TX

clemslay@iname.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:48:13 -0600, Acts17-11@webtv.net (Ronny TX)
> wrote:
>
> >I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
> >F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks
>
> >tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
> >between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
> >Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
> >aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
> >it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
> >when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
> >
> >Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
> >right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the

> Clems:
> Your screwdriver sparking probably chattered the motor,
> its starter switch, and relay contacts (through its holding coil)
> enough that it made better contact (for a short time).
>
> Better starter drives have came out since then, if
> it has never been rebuilt.
> So, I would say rebuild the starter, later replace
> the relay if needed. There are heavier relays
> with a blue case from Standardized/Echlin/NAPA.
> Blue goes well with a 66+ blue engine. :)

Ronny:
Gotta have the colors match! :-) LoL

Didn't have time to get the starter rebuilt. Wouldn't start this
morning when I needed to go shopping. Tried jumping across the starter
relay again and didn't get much out of that. Turned the motor a bit by
hand a few times with the fan blade and things finally kicked off. Got
some needed things done where I didn't have to kill the motor. Got home
with the new starter,got all changed out in 40 minutes and it started
right up. :-) Let it run a bit and started it up 2 or 3 times in a row.
No problem,fast turn over and fast start.

The old starter would still turn over when I hoooked the battery cables
to it;but I noticed that the starter drive was loose compared to the
new starter. Now I'm wondering. The new starter cost about $52 and I
can get $15 back if I take it back to the parts house. So $37 for it if
I go that way. Or I can get the old one rebuilt. But I have no idea
which is the better way to go on that?

Ronny TX

clemslay@iname.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:48:13 -0600, Acts17-11@webtv.net (Ronny TX)
> wrote:
>
> >I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
> >F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks
>
> >tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
> >between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
> >Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
> >aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
> >it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
> >when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
> >
> >Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
> >right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the

> Clems:
> Your screwdriver sparking probably chattered the motor,
> its starter switch, and relay contacts (through its holding coil)
> enough that it made better contact (for a short time).
>
> Better starter drives have came out since then, if
> it has never been rebuilt.
> So, I would say rebuild the starter, later replace
> the relay if needed. There are heavier relays
> with a blue case from Standardized/Echlin/NAPA.
> Blue goes well with a 66+ blue engine. :)

Ronny:
Gotta have the colors match! :-) LoL

Didn't have time to get the starter rebuilt. Wouldn't start this
morning when I needed to go shopping. Tried jumping across the starter
relay again and didn't get much out of that. Turned the motor a bit by
hand a few times with the fan blade and things finally kicked off. Got
some needed things done where I didn't have to kill the motor. Got home
with the new starter,got all changed out in 40 minutes and it started
right up. :-) Let it run a bit and started it up 2 or 3 times in a row.
No problem,fast turn over and fast start.

The old starter would still turn over when I hoooked the battery cables
to it;but I noticed that the starter drive was loose compared to the
new starter. Now I'm wondering. The new starter cost about $52 and I
can get $15 back if I take it back to the parts house. So $37 for it if
I go that way. Or I can get the old one rebuilt. But I have no idea
which is the better way to go on that?

David M

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:59:24 -0800, Ronny TX rearranged some electrons to
form:

>
>
> clemslay@iname.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:48:13 -0600, Acts17-11@webtv.net (Ronny TX)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a late 60's model Ford pickup,
>> >F-100 with V8 engine. Don't use it but about once a week. Three weeks
>>
>> >tried again and nothing. Got out,raised the hood and put a screwdriver
>> >between the battery post and to the starter post on the starter relay.
>> >Just heard a buzzing sound. (I'm real hard of hearing;but wear a hearing
>> >aid.) So couldn't tell where the buzzing sound was coming from? Figure
>> >it was the starter;but can the starter relay make a buzzing sound too
>> >when you jump across the battery post side to the starter post?
>> >
>> >Then got back in the truck and tried it again and the truck started
>> >right up. So wondering now if the started relay could be good and the
>
>> Clems:
>> Your screwdriver sparking probably chattered the motor,
>> its starter switch, and relay contacts (through its holding coil)
>> enough that it made better contact (for a short time).
>>
>> Better starter drives have came out since then, if
>> it has never been rebuilt.
>> So, I would say rebuild the starter, later replace
>> the relay if needed. There are heavier relays
>> with a blue case from Standardized/Echlin/NAPA.
>> Blue goes well with a 66+ blue engine. :)
>
> Ronny:
> Gotta have the colors match! :-) LoL
>
> Didn't have time to get the starter rebuilt. Wouldn't start this
> morning when I needed to go shopping. Tried jumping across the starter
> relay again and didn't get much out of that. Turned the motor a bit by
> hand a few times with the fan blade and things finally kicked off. Got
> some needed things done where I didn't have to kill the motor. Got home
> with the new starter,got all changed out in 40 minutes and it started
> right up. :-) Let it run a bit and started it up 2 or 3 times in a row.
> No problem,fast turn over and fast start.
>
> The old starter would still turn over when I hoooked the battery cables
> to it;but I noticed that the starter drive was loose compared to the
> new starter. Now I'm wondering. The new starter cost about $52 and I
> can get $15 back if I take it back to the parts house. So $37 for it if
> I go that way. Or I can get the old one rebuilt. But I have no idea
> which is the better way to go on that?

Take the old one back and get your core charge back.

--
David M (dmacchiarolo)
http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled
T/S 53
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clemslay@iname.com

On 30 Nov 2005 11:58:17 -0800, "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote:

>new starter. Now I'm wondering. The new starter cost about $52 and I
>can get $15 back if I take it back to the parts house. So $37 for it if
>I go that way. Or I can get the old one rebuilt. But I have no idea
>which is the better way to go on that?

The "new" one is not new, but rebuilt.
Those tend to not be very good, not fully rebuilt,
just the one thing fixed that kept it from working.
Have your old one rebuilt.
(turn commutator, 4 new brushes. new springs,
growl, lube, new drive gear and clutch)
And check the "Ford" contact.
New bushings too.
Repainting is nice to slow rust, seal
cover band first.
(find a good rebuilder)