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Old 10-09-2005, 12:01   #1 (permalink)
Agave
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What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
of diesel was going up because...

* Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
* Decreased production of crude
* Lessening supplies of crude
* Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
* Greed by OPEC and others
* Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
* Republican policies angering oil producing countries
* Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
* Military demand for the war machine
* Refineries already running at 100% capacity
* Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
* Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
* Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
* New petroleum burning domestic power plants
* Domestic economic expansion
* Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
* Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
* Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
* Forced conservation
* Natural disasters
* Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
other taxes
* Simple inflation
* Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
* More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
* Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
* Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
* Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
putting more trucks on the road
* Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
* Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
* Increased use of petro-chemicals
* Global climate change
* Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
* Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
* Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
automobile commuters/commuting distances
* Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy demands
* Decrease in public transportation
* Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
oil prices
* Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
refining/distribution in 2006
* Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
* Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
* Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
* Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
* Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
drilling/refining/distribution equipment
* Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment

I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.

So, what do you think?

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Old 10-09-2005, 12:01   #2 (permalink)
Spdloader
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.

Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits because
costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.

What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to address
it.


Spdloader





"Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
> of diesel was going up because...
>
> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
> * Decreased production of crude
> * Lessening supplies of crude
> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
> * Greed by OPEC and others
> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
> * Military demand for the war machine
> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
> * Domestic economic expansion
> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
> * Forced conservation
> * Natural disasters
> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
> other taxes
> * Simple inflation
> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
> putting more trucks on the road
> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
> * Global climate change
> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
> automobile commuters/commuting distances
> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
> demands
> * Decrease in public transportation
> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
> oil prices
> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
> refining/distribution in 2006
> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>
> I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
> is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
> increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>
> So, what do you think?
>



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Old 10-09-2005, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
TheSnoMan
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

What do you expect? Big oil help put them in office and you do not bite
the hand that feeds you.

Spdloader wrote:
> I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.
>
> Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits because
> costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.
>
> What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to address
> it.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
>
>
> "Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
> news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
>>of diesel was going up because...
>>
>> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
>> * Decreased production of crude
>> * Lessening supplies of crude
>> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
>> * Greed by OPEC and others
>> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
>> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
>> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
>> * Military demand for the war machine
>> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
>> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
>> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
>> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
>> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
>> * Domestic economic expansion
>> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
>> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
>> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
>> * Forced conservation
>> * Natural disasters
>> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
>> other taxes
>> * Simple inflation
>> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
>> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
>> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
>> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
>> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
>> putting more trucks on the road
>> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
>> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
>> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
>> * Global climate change
>> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
>> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
>> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
>> automobile commuters/commuting distances
>> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
>>demands
>> * Decrease in public transportation
>> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
>> oil prices
>> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
>> refining/distribution in 2006
>> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
>> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
>> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
>> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
>> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
>> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
>> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>>
>>I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
>>is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
>>increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>>
>>So, what do you think?
>>

>
>
>


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Old 10-09-2005, 15:01   #4 (permalink)
user@domain.invalid
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

So what do they need to address and how ? It seems to be it is a supply
and demand issue. China wants it and we want it and the supply is
limited and will be until we get away from using oil for almost everything.



Spdloader wrote:
> I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.
>
> Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits because
> costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.
>
> What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to address
> it.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
>
>
> "Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
> news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
>>of diesel was going up because...
>>
>> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
>> * Decreased production of crude
>> * Lessening supplies of crude
>> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
>> * Greed by OPEC and others
>> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
>> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
>> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
>> * Military demand for the war machine
>> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
>> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
>> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
>> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
>> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
>> * Domestic economic expansion
>> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
>> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
>> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
>> * Forced conservation
>> * Natural disasters
>> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
>> other taxes
>> * Simple inflation
>> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
>> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
>> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
>> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
>> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
>> putting more trucks on the road
>> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
>> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
>> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
>> * Global climate change
>> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
>> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
>> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
>> automobile commuters/commuting distances
>> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
>>demands
>> * Decrease in public transportation
>> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
>> oil prices
>> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
>> refining/distribution in 2006
>> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
>> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
>> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
>> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
>> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
>> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
>> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>>
>>I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
>>is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
>>increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>>
>>So, what do you think?
>>

>
>
>


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Old 10-09-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
Spdloader
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

RECORD PROFITS

I'm not okay with the price of fuel going up just because people want it.

I'm not talking about the Chinese wanting it too, I'm talking about the
price gouging that goes on with it here, once it gets to our refineries.

I'd like to see the government ask the oil companies to take a 25% cut in
their profits and reduce the price of fuel, then if they don't, the
government should raise the tax on their profit by 25%.

I think for the first time ever, I actually agree with SnoMan on something.


Spdloader





<user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:4349754C.4050103@domain.invalid...
> So what do they need to address and how ? It seems to be it is a supply
> and demand issue. China wants it and we want it and the supply is limited
> and will be until we get away from using oil for almost everything.
>
>
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>> I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.
>>
>> Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits because
>> costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.
>>
>> What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to address
>> it.
>>
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
>> news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
>>>of diesel was going up because...
>>>
>>> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
>>> * Decreased production of crude
>>> * Lessening supplies of crude
>>> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
>>> * Greed by OPEC and others
>>> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
>>> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
>>> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
>>> * Military demand for the war machine
>>> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
>>> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
>>> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
>>> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
>>> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
>>> * Domestic economic expansion
>>> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
>>> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
>>> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
>>> * Forced conservation
>>> * Natural disasters
>>> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
>>> other taxes
>>> * Simple inflation
>>> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
>>> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
>>> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
>>> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
>>> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
>>> putting more trucks on the road
>>> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
>>> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
>>> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
>>> * Global climate change
>>> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
>>> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
>>> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
>>> automobile commuters/commuting distances
>>> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
>>> demands
>>> * Decrease in public transportation
>>> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
>>> oil prices
>>> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
>>> refining/distribution in 2006
>>> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
>>> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
>>> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
>>> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
>>> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
>>> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
>>> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>>>
>>>I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
>>>is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
>>>increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>>>
>>>So, what do you think?
>>>

>>
>>
>>

>



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Old 10-09-2005, 17:01   #6 (permalink)
user@domain.invalid
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

I believe you are forgetting something and that is the tax that the
government is alreadying getting on fuel. I believe that the tax goes up
as the prices goes up. Correct ? How about the government just charging
a fixed tax on a gallon independent of price.

Spdloader wrote:

> RECORD PROFITS
>
> I'm not okay with the price of fuel going up just because people want it.
>
> I'm not talking about the Chinese wanting it too, I'm talking about the
> price gouging that goes on with it here, once it gets to our refineries.
>
> I'd like to see the government ask the oil companies to take a 25% cut in
> their profits and reduce the price of fuel, then if they don't, the
> government should raise the tax on their profit by 25%.
>
> I think for the first time ever, I actually agree with SnoMan on something.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
>
>
> <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4349754C.4050103@domain.invalid...
>
>>So what do they need to address and how ? It seems to be it is a supply
>>and demand issue. China wants it and we want it and the supply is limited
>>and will be until we get away from using oil for almost everything.
>>
>>
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.
>>>
>>>Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits because
>>>costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.
>>>
>>>What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to address
>>>it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
>>>news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the price
>>>>of diesel was going up because...
>>>>
>>>> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
>>>> * Decreased production of crude
>>>> * Lessening supplies of crude
>>>> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
>>>> * Greed by OPEC and others
>>>> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
>>>> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
>>>> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
>>>> * Military demand for the war machine
>>>> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
>>>> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
>>>> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
>>>> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
>>>> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
>>>> * Domestic economic expansion
>>>> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
>>>> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model sales
>>>> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
>>>> * Forced conservation
>>>> * Natural disasters
>>>> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
>>>> other taxes
>>>> * Simple inflation
>>>> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
>>>> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
>>>> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
>>>> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
>>>> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
>>>> putting more trucks on the road
>>>> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
>>>> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
>>>> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
>>>> * Global climate change
>>>> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
>>>> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
>>>> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
>>>> automobile commuters/commuting distances
>>>> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
>>>>demands
>>>> * Decrease in public transportation
>>>> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
>>>> oil prices
>>>> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
>>>> refining/distribution in 2006
>>>> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
>>>> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
>>>> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
>>>> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
>>>> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
>>>> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
>>>> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>>>>
>>>>I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to someone,
>>>>is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
>>>>increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>>>>
>>>>So, what do you think?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>


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Old 10-09-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
Spdloader
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

I'm not forgetting the tax, but it'd only be .43 cheaper without it.

I'm talking about an additional tax on the profit the "big oil" is making.

Spdloader



<user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:43499D53.3080702@domain.invalid...
>I believe you are forgetting something and that is the tax that the
>government is alreadying getting on fuel. I believe that the tax goes up as
>the prices goes up. Correct ? How about the government just charging a
>fixed tax on a gallon independent of price.
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> RECORD PROFITS
>>
>> I'm not okay with the price of fuel going up just because people want it.
>>
>> I'm not talking about the Chinese wanting it too, I'm talking about the
>> price gouging that goes on with it here, once it gets to our refineries.
>>
>> I'd like to see the government ask the oil companies to take a 25% cut in
>> their profits and reduce the price of fuel, then if they don't, the
>> government should raise the tax on their profit by 25%.
>>
>> I think for the first time ever, I actually agree with SnoMan on
>> something.
>>
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4349754C.4050103@domain.invalid...
>>
>>>So what do they need to address and how ? It seems to be it is a supply
>>>and demand issue. China wants it and we want it and the supply is
>>>limited and will be until we get away from using oil for almost
>>>everything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think the oil companies charge higher prices because we pay it.
>>>>
>>>>Oil companies are making record profits right now. Record profits
>>>>because costs aren't going up at the rate they are raising their prices.
>>>>
>>>>What sickens me is nothing is being done by the powers that be to
>>>>address it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Agave" <idon't@thinkso.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:saKdnUpQMpxV2tTenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So far I've heard, saw, read, or it came to me in a dream that the
>>>>>price
>>>>>of diesel was going up because...
>>>>>
>>>>> * Increased demand in China (and other emerging economies)
>>>>> * Decreased production of crude
>>>>> * Lessening supplies of crude
>>>>> * Expensive crude (harder to get, lower quality)
>>>>> * Greed by OPEC and others
>>>>> * Republican (Bush) favoritism to (Texas) oil barons
>>>>> * Republican policies angering oil producing countries
>>>>> * Poor forecasting/planning; not listening to the experts
>>>>> * Military demand for the war machine
>>>>> * Refineries already running at 100% capacity
>>>>> * Difficulty (impossibility?) to build new refineries
>>>>> * Shift from nuclear/hydro/coal/etc. power plants to petroleum
>>>>> * Increase in green (solar/wind/etc.) power sources
>>>>> * New petroleum burning domestic power plants
>>>>> * Domestic economic expansion
>>>>> * Increased diesel engine use in automobiles
>>>>> * Increase in lower MPG SUV, 4x4, minivan, and performance model
>>>>> sales
>>>>> * Automobile manufacturers in collusion with oil companies
>>>>> * Forced conservation
>>>>> * Natural disasters
>>>>> * Increase (fed and state) government income due to decrease in
>>>>> other taxes
>>>>> * Simple inflation
>>>>> * Increased labor costs (payroll, health care, other benefits)
>>>>> * More fuel efficient automobiles causing less demand
>>>>> * Changing economy (less industrial/manufacturing) decreasing demand
>>>>> * Changing economy (more high tech/service) increasing demand
>>>>> * Warehouse on wheels (Wal-Mart) inventory management practices
>>>>> putting more trucks on the road
>>>>> * Internet/catalog shopping increasing door-to-door delivery
>>>>> * Consumerism for more electronic/electric devices/appliances
>>>>> * Increased use of petro-chemicals
>>>>> * Global climate change
>>>>> * Cyclical/Normal climate fluctuation
>>>>> * Less air travel; more automobile/RV/train/bus/ship travel
>>>>> * Exodus after 9/11 from cities to suburbs/rural increasing
>>>>> automobile commuters/commuting distances
>>>>> * Build-up in desert Southwest and other areas with large energy
>>>>> demands
>>>>> * Decrease in public transportation
>>>>> * Come to parity with other world economies to stabilize/standardize
>>>>> oil prices
>>>>> * Preparing (cover costs) for ultra low sulfur diesel
>>>>> refining/distribution in 2006
>>>>> * Investment of oil companies in alternative fuel sources
>>>>> * Alternative fuels cutting into oil companies profits
>>>>> * Eco-rebels forcing more regulations
>>>>> * Aging tanker fleets needing investment in new $$$ tankers
>>>>> * Aging petroleum infrastructure needing investment in new $$$
>>>>> drilling/refining/distribution equipment
>>>>> * Aging transportation infrastructure needing $$$ investment
>>>>>
>>>>>I suppose what's interesting to me, especially when you talk to
>>>>>someone,
>>>>>is he/she is adamant that only one or a few things contribute to the
>>>>>increasing costs, yet someone else has the complete contrary view.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>

>



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Old 10-09-2005, 23:01   #8 (permalink)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

On 09 Oct 2005 18:40:15 EDT, user@domain.invalid wrote:

>I believe you are forgetting something and that is the tax that the
>government is alreadying getting on fuel. I believe that the tax goes up
>as the prices goes up. Correct ? How about the government just charging
>a fixed tax on a gallon independent of price.


Next time you're at the pump watching the equivalent of the gross
national product of some small countries count off as you fill the
tank, read the little sticker that details the taxes "included" in the
cost of the fuel.. It's not a small part of the cost by any means..


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Old 10-10-2005, 00:01   #9 (permalink)
Razorblade
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

I believe the tax is fixed on a per gallon basis. Someone earlier mentioned
43cents and that sounds about right I guess. So if you take into
consideration that gas prices have almost tripled in the last few years, the
tax rate has stayed pretty much the same. The argument given to consumers is
that the cost of producing one gallon has increased significantly due to all
of the previously listed reasons(I seriously doubt that is has actually
tripled). But, to give it the benefit of the doubt let's just say that it
has. So we have the following breakdown of one gallon of gas:

(These numbers are an educated guess and are for discussion purposes only!)

In 2000
$1.10 pump price
-$.43 tax
=$.67 per gallon gross revenue
-$.55 acquisition, refinement, and distribution costs
=$0.12 per gallon of profitability or roughly 18% gross profit margin.

In 2005
$2.90 pump price
-$.43 tax
=$2.47 per gallon net revenue
-$1.65 acquisition, refinement, and distribution costs
=$0.82 per gallon of profitability or roughly 33% gross profit margin.

Why should people be upset with the oil and gas industry?

They went from making $.12 per gallon to $.82 per gallon! This EQUATES TO A
583% INCREASE per gallon of gasoline sold!! Just think, if their profit
margin had just remained steady at 18% over the last five years, their net
income from profit would have still tripled and gas prices would be at
~$2.01 per gallon right now.

Oil and gas companies are LAUGHING AT YOUALL THE WAY TO THEIR OFFSHORE
BANKS! What are you going to do about it?

Razor

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On 09 Oct 2005 18:40:15 EDT, user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>>I believe you are forgetting something and that is the tax that the
>>government is alreadying getting on fuel. I believe that the tax goes up
>>as the prices goes up. Correct ? How about the government just charging
>>a fixed tax on a gallon independent of price.

>
> Next time you're at the pump watching the equivalent of the gross
> national product of some small countries count off as you fill the
> tank, read the little sticker that details the taxes "included" in the
> cost of the fuel.. It's not a small part of the cost by any means..
>
>



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Old 10-10-2005, 04:01   #10 (permalink)
David M
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Re: What's Driving Up the Price of Diesel?

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:04:22 +0000, Razorblade rearranged some electrons
to form:

> I believe the tax is fixed on a per gallon basis. Someone earlier mentioned
> 43cents and that sounds about right I guess. So if you take into


The total tax burden varies by state.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publica...show/1054.html


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