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Old 11-06-2005, 16:01   #1 (permalink)
Geronimo
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89 740 GL inner tie rods question



I need to replace the inner tie rods on my 89 740 GL sedan, both have
too much play. There is a pair of new tie rods being sold on eBay, but
they are actually for an 87 740, not 89. I suspect the 87 and 89 tie
rods are the same, but I think Volvo 740 came with racks made by two
different companies. Maybe the tie rods have to match the rack?

Would these tie rods be compatible? DO I need to find out what make
of rack they are for and check to see what I have, so I don't get
something unuseable?








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Old 11-06-2005, 17:01   #2 (permalink)
Michael Pardee
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question

"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> I need to replace the inner tie rods on my 89 740 GL sedan, both have
> too much play. There is a pair of new tie rods being sold on eBay, but
> they are actually for an 87 740, not 89. I suspect the 87 and 89 tie
> rods are the same, but I think Volvo 740 came with racks made by two
> different companies. Maybe the tie rods have to match the rack?
>
> Would these tie rods be compatible? DO I need to find out what make
> of rack they are for and check to see what I have, so I don't get
> something unuseable?
>

They definitely have to match the manufacturer: ZF or Cam Gear. Check out
http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900steering.htm and then decide whether you
want to bother with e-bay. I also recommend replacing the boot at the same
time, since the ends don't last long when the boot tears.

Mike


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Old 11-06-2005, 19:01   #3 (permalink)
Randy G.
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:2o3tm1djgfeit5409ui5ldd0h4o762taem@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I need to replace the inner tie rods on my 89 740 GL sedan, both have
>> too much play. There is a pair of new tie rods being sold on eBay, but
>> they are actually for an 87 740, not 89. I suspect the 87 and 89 tie
>> rods are the same, but I think Volvo 740 came with racks made by two
>> different companies. Maybe the tie rods have to match the rack?
>>
>> Would these tie rods be compatible? DO I need to find out what make
>> of rack they are for and check to see what I have, so I don't get
>> something unuseable?
>>

>They definitely have to match the manufacturer: ZF or Cam Gear. Check out
>http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900steering.htm and then decide whether you
>want to bother with e-bay. I also recommend replacing the boot at the same
>time, since the ends don't last long when the boot tears.
>


Additionally, are you SURE it's the tie rod end and not the rack
itself? At the end of the rack, inside, there is some sort of bushing.
I thought we needed tie rod ends on the 960, but when I examined it
carefully the inner tie rod ends were fine, but the entire end of the
rack where it exits the the housing was quite loose- VERY easily felt
by grabbing it and giving it a good lateral shaking. Since racks
usually(?) come with the inner tie rod ends attached it is worth being
sure...



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Old 11-06-2005, 21:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question

I just happen to have a set of inner tie rod ends for my 89 740 that I
bought and never used. I don't recall whether they are cam or zf.
Find out which you need. If these will work for you, I will sell them
to you cheap. Kindest regards, jct


t'On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:14:45 -0800, "Randy G."
<frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote:

>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>news:2o3tm1djgfeit5409ui5ldd0h4o762taem@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to replace the inner tie rods on my 89 740 GL sedan, both have
>>> too much play. There is a pair of new tie rods being sold on eBay, but
>>> they are actually for an 87 740, not 89. I suspect the 87 and 89 tie
>>> rods are the same, but I think Volvo 740 came with racks made by two
>>> different companies. Maybe the tie rods have to match the rack?
>>>
>>> Would these tie rods be compatible? DO I need to find out what make
>>> of rack they are for and check to see what I have, so I don't get
>>> something unuseable?
>>>

>>They definitely have to match the manufacturer: ZF or Cam Gear. Check out
>>http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900steering.htm and then decide whether you
>>want to bother with e-bay. I also recommend replacing the boot at the same
>>time, since the ends don't last long when the boot tears.
>>

>
>Additionally, are you SURE it's the tie rod end and not the rack
>itself? At the end of the rack, inside, there is some sort of bushing.
>I thought we needed tie rod ends on the 960, but when I examined it
>carefully the inner tie rod ends were fine, but the entire end of the
>rack where it exits the the housing was quite loose- VERY easily felt
>by grabbing it and giving it a good lateral shaking. Since racks
>usually(?) come with the inner tie rod ends attached it is worth being
>sure...
>
>
>
> __ __
> Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
> \__/olvos
>'90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
> "Shelby" & "Kate"


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Old 11-11-2005, 03:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question


I looked at the rack, but could not see any identification on it as to
whether it is ZF or TRW. Where/how is it marked? THere is a plate
covering up the middle of the rack, do you have to remove that in
order to see it?

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:18:10 GMT, jcarltaylor@intergate.com wrote:

>I just happen to have a set of inner tie rod ends for my 89 740 that I
>bought and never used. I don't recall whether they are cam or zf.
>Find out which you need. If these will work for you, I will sell them
>to you cheap. Kindest regards, jct
>
>
> t'On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:14:45 -0800, "Randy G."
><frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote:
>
>>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>>news:2o3tm1djgfeit5409ui5ldd0h4o762taem@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need to replace the inner tie rods on my 89 740 GL sedan, both have
>>>> too much play. There is a pair of new tie rods being sold on eBay, but
>>>> they are actually for an 87 740, not 89. I suspect the 87 and 89 tie
>>>> rods are the same, but I think Volvo 740 came with racks made by two
>>>> different companies. Maybe the tie rods have to match the rack?
>>>>
>>>> Would these tie rods be compatible? DO I need to find out what make
>>>> of rack they are for and check to see what I have, so I don't get
>>>> something unuseable?
>>>>
>>>They definitely have to match the manufacturer: ZF or Cam Gear. Check out
>>>http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900steering.htm and then decide whether you
>>>want to bother with e-bay. I also recommend replacing the boot at the same
>>>time, since the ends don't last long when the boot tears.
>>>

>>
>>Additionally, are you SURE it's the tie rod end and not the rack
>>itself? At the end of the rack, inside, there is some sort of bushing.
>>I thought we needed tie rod ends on the 960, but when I examined it
>>carefully the inner tie rod ends were fine, but the entire end of the
>>rack where it exits the the housing was quite loose- VERY easily felt
>>by grabbing it and giving it a good lateral shaking. Since racks
>>usually(?) come with the inner tie rod ends attached it is worth being
>>sure...
>>
>>
>>
>> __ __
>> Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
>> \__/olvos
>>'90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
>> "Shelby" & "Kate"


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Old 11-11-2005, 09:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question

Geronimo <someone@somewhere.net> wrote:

>
>I looked at the rack, but could not see any identification on it as to
>whether it is ZF or TRW. Where/how is it marked? THere is a plate
>covering up the middle of the rack, do you have to remove that in
>order to see it?
>

This will tell you:
http://www.vlvworld.com/VIN/plates740.htm
...and this will be of interest
http://www.vlvworld.com/indexframe.html?production.html


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Old 11-11-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question

"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> I looked at the rack, but could not see any identification on it as to
> whether it is ZF or TRW. Where/how is it marked? THere is a plate
> covering up the middle of the rack, do you have to remove that in
> order to see it?
>

You might have to remove the plate - I can't visualize that very well. The
ZF racks have a giant "ZF" cast on one of the flatter surfaces, but the
other type is not well marked.

Mike


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Old 11-12-2005, 05:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question


Well I checked the door post ID plate against the info on the volvo
webpage Randy G. referenced. 3 is for ZF, 4 is for TRW. On mine, the
number for the steering rack is a 2! So I will have to jack up car
again and check the dimensions of the boot ends, etc. to figure out
which it is.



On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:06:25 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:ols8n1hsjsk0b78uue2b381v2t4om45ce1@4ax.com...
>>
>> I looked at the rack, but could not see any identification on it as to
>> whether it is ZF or TRW. Where/how is it marked? THere is a plate
>> covering up the middle of the rack, do you have to remove that in
>> order to see it?
>>

>You might have to remove the plate - I can't visualize that very well. The
>ZF racks have a giant "ZF" cast on one of the flatter surfaces, but the
>other type is not well marked.
>
>Mike
>


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Old 11-12-2005, 06:01   #9 (permalink)
Geronimo
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Re: 89 740 GL inner tie rods question


It is a CAM/TRW. The code 2 on the door pillar is for CAM/TRW. Thanks!

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:06:25 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Geronimo" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:ols8n1hsjsk0b78uue2b381v2t4om45ce1@4ax.com...
>>
>> I looked at the rack, but could not see any identification on it as to
>> whether it is ZF or TRW. Where/how is it marked? THere is a plate
>> covering up the middle of the rack, do you have to remove that in
>> order to see it?
>>

>You might have to remove the plate - I can't visualize that very well. The
>ZF racks have a giant "ZF" cast on one of the flatter surfaces, but the
>other type is not well marked.
>
>Mike
>


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