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Old 09-14-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
Randy G.
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AMM - more Q's

I am about to order an AMM but thought I would try a few more things
and ge some 'final' opinions from you folks. The cheapest rebuilt is
about $160, and for that much I can do a lot of typing! ;-)

I wanted to isolate the effects of the IAC valve and related parts to
be sure that wasn't the problem, so here's what I did this afternooon
and the results.

AS IS - In stock configuration the car starts well, revs to 2000rpm
and then drops and stalls when cold. After a few attempts it warms
enough that when started will rev to 2000 RPM, drop to well below 500
(varying from 150 to 300 RPM or so) and then will return to around
normal idle, but idling very rough. With a medium-rapid pressing and
releasing the accelerator I raise the RPMs to 3000 and I can hold it
there by continuing to oscilate the accelerator (indicates no exhaust
blockage?), but it will not hold the higher RPMs on its own (a symptom
of a lean condition IMO).

TEST1 - I removed the IAC valve, and reconnected the wire and the
hoses. I did the OBD socket 2, "3 presses test" to cycle the injectors
and the IAC, and while blowing into the IAC in hose I could verify
that the IAC is functioning, although this is not at all an accurate
test as there is no way to judge if the correct volume of air can pass
due to the bends in the hoses and their cumulative resistance to air.

TEST1b- Previously I had run the motor and pinched off the idle air
hose and the motor immediately stopped showing that it is indeed
running the motor at idle.

TEST1c- Disconnecting the IAC electrical plug causes the motor to
immediately stall.

TEST2 - I removed the IAC hoses and plugged the idle-air intake metal
tube on the intake manifold, in essence making the car in a state as
if the IAC didn't exist, although it was connected. The car cranked
but would not run or start unless the accelerator was depressed, but
once I did that it kept running and it ran MUCH better and noticeably
smoother (It felt like it was running richer IMO). Same fuel, less air
I guess. (AMM telling the computer that less air is passing its way
than is actually the case, so the computer injects less fuel. thus a
lean condition?- I am guessing.)

a 1-2-1 "bad/missing signal to/from AMM" code was set. This seems to
indicate that there is more going on with the AMM and the 1-2-1 code
than would meet the eye. There is some relationship between what the
AMM 'sees' and what the computer thinks it should see, and if it
doesn't agree within a pre-programmed range it sets the code.- another
guess on my part.

TEST3 - I did the above test but did not plug the idle air intake
pipe on the manifold. It idled rougher and fast, but kept running on
its own. Same 1-2-1 code set. I am thinking that it made the motor so
lean with the extra air that the O2 sensor knew something was wrong
and the computer tried to adjust. A wild guess.

I did clear the codes if set between tests and verified a 1-1-1 before
continuing.

So if you have anything to add, or have any other tests I can try,
PLEASE fell free to chime in. If nothing else we are gathering data
points for the next idiot.. errr... Volvo home mechanic to use if they
have the same problem... ;-)

I can see where the AMM is probalby the most often part replaced
unnecessarily- it's a good guess with a high profit margen and it
takes very little effort to change it.



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Old 09-15-2005, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: AMM - more Q's

Junkyards are full of twenty dollar amm's and Ebay is full of fourty dollar
amm's.
Did you check wiring to amm ?
Wiggle test ?



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Old 09-15-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
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"jigga" <jigga@boo.com> wrote:

>Junkyards are full of twenty dollar amm's and Ebay is full of fourty dollar
>amm's.
>Did you check wiring to amm ?
>Wiggle test ?
>


On on my way to the yard tomorrow to see if they ahve any 240s. If nt
i need to get on the phone as the next nearest is over 90 miles away..

I have disconnected and reconnected the AMM a lot of times, as well as
cleaning the contacts. I also disconnected it and the car wnet into
"limp" mode, and when it was connected it went back to normal. The IAC
seems to be operating (used a bypass hose today and with teh valve
"floating" but connected I watched the valve as it opened and closed-
mine is the two wire version and does so slowly and without
vibrating).



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Old 09-16-2005, 19:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote:

>I am about to order an AMM but thought I would try a few more things
>and ge some 'final' opinions from you folks. The cheapest rebuilt is
>about $160, and for that much I can do a lot of typing! ;-)
>



For the end of the story, see the thread:
It's RUNNING!


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