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Old 06-22-2005, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
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Convert 245 to manual steering

I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated
parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can
dump the power steering? I notice the input shaft on the rack is 19mm
on my car and 14mm on the 80 but I thought I would grab the universal
and other parts from the donor car.

I am currently using the p.s. rack with the pump removed. I filled it
with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering
fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better.

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Old 06-22-2005, 07:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Convert 245 to manual steering

Apple Computer wrote:
>
> I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated
> parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can
> dump the power steering? I notice the input shaft on the rack is 19mm
> on my car and 14mm on the 80 but I thought I would grab the universal
> and other parts from the donor car.
>
> I am currently using the p.s. rack with the pump removed. I filled it
> with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering
> fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better.


Just make sure you get the whole shaft (2 universal joints) that's
inside the engine compartment, as that's longer on a car with manual
steering. Also make sure you have all the mounting hardware from the
donor car.

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Old 06-22-2005, 14:02   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Convert 245 to manual steering


"Apple Computer" <smulder@anonymous.to> wrote in message
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> I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated
> parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can
> dump the power steering? I notice the input shaft on the rack is 19mm
> on my car and 14mm on the 80 but I thought I would grab the universal
> and other parts from the donor car.
>
> I am currently using the p.s. rack with the pump removed. I filled it
> with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering
> fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better.
>

What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any
resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering just
removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.


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Old 06-23-2005, 01:01   #4 (permalink)
James Sweet
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Re: Convert 245 to manual steering


> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any
> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering

just
> removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
>
>


It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a manual
rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if you
don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.


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Old 06-23-2005, 04:01   #5 (permalink)
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"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid

any
> > resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering

> just
> > removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
> >
> >

>
> It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a

manual
> rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if

you
> don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
>

Thanks for the reply, I like the power too but not keen on fixing the oil
leak. They are also downright dangerous with a motor which might stall, like
with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto) car
than a "modern" one when it gets old.


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Old 06-23-2005, 18:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Convert 245 to manual steering

"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any
>> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering

> just
>> removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
>>
>>

>
> It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a
> manual
> rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if
> you
> don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
>
>

In addition, PS racks always have some play when used as a manual rack
because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that - replace
with a manual rack if you don't want PS.

Mike


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Old 06-23-2005, 21:02   #7 (permalink)
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GNtue.2518$fw1.408@trnddc02...
> >
> >> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid

any
> >> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering

> > just
> >> removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
> >>
> >>

> >
> > It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a
> > manual
> > rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if
> > you
> > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
> >
> >

> In addition, PS racks always have some play when used as a manual rack
> because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that -

replace
> with a manual rack if you don't want PS.
>

Again thanks fellas, can I ask another... it goes fine for a few weeks then
dumps about a reserviour full from the end of the rack away from the
steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more than
seals, and are they hard to replace?


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Old 06-24-2005, 00:01   #8 (permalink)
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"jg" <jg@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GNtue.2518$fw1.408@trnddc02...
> >
> > > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid

> any
> > > resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering

> > just
> > > removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
> > >
> > >

> >
> > It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a

> manual
> > rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if

> you
> > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
> >

> Thanks for the reply, I like the power too but not keen on fixing the oil
> leak. They are also downright dangerous with a motor which might stall,

like
> with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto)

car
> than a "modern" one when it gets old.
>
>


How's it dangerous? I drove mine for a while when the belt came off before I
got a chance to fix it and while it was stiff in parking lots and such it
was fine on the road. I had a truck for a while with manual everything and
the brakes were just as stiff as a power braked car with a bad booster or
stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop,
particularly with a load.


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Old 06-24-2005, 00:01   #9 (permalink)
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"jg" <jg@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:RvqdnYulZbrUySbfRVn-jg@sedona.net...
> > "James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GNtue.2518$fw1.408@trnddc02...
> > >
> > >> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid

> any
> > >> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was

considering
> > > just
> > >> removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a
> > > manual
> > > rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack,

if
> > > you
> > > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
> > >
> > >

> > In addition, PS racks always have some play when used as a manual rack
> > because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that -

> replace
> > with a manual rack if you don't want PS.
> >

> Again thanks fellas, can I ask another... it goes fine for a few weeks

then
> dumps about a reserviour full from the end of the rack away from the
> steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more

than
> seals, and are they hard to replace?
>
>


Dunno, I've never tried, I'd probably just look for a "new" rack from a
junkyard, though you always run the risk of a leaky one from there too.


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Old 06-24-2005, 01:01   #10 (permalink)
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"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "jg" <jg@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:97wue.1521$oJ.937@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GNtue.2518$fw1.408@trnddc02...
> > >
> > > > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to

avoid
> > any
> > > > resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was

considering
> > > just
> > > > removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a

> > manual
> > > rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack,

if
> > you
> > > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
> > >

> > Thanks for the reply, I like the power too but not keen on fixing the

oil
> > leak. They are also downright dangerous with a motor which might stall,

> like
> > with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto)

> car
> > than a "modern" one when it gets old.
> >

> How's it dangerous? I drove mine for a while when the belt came off before

I
> got a chance to fix it and while it was stiff in parking lots and such it
> was fine on the road. I had a truck for a while with manual everything and
> the brakes were just as stiff as a power braked car with a bad booster or
> stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop,
> particularly with a load.
>

I guess it's mainly because you are expecting a certain resistance,
specially the brakes which are very light on this car. Usually the first
indication it has stalled is you can't steer or brake as effectively and
that, coupled with the surprise, is just the time you needed to stop or make
a turn. The volvo is not so bad but big fords for instance, really need more
strength than most people have to steer or brake when power fails.


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