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Old 08-11-2005, 04:01   #1 (permalink)
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S60 belt reminder light

I recently purchased an S60 and I'm a bit confused with the seatbelt
reminder light in the rearview mirror; it turns on after I turn the
engine on, then it turns itself off in a few seconds, regardless of
whether I have the seatbelt on or not. Shouldn't it stay on if I'm not
wearing the belt? The car also doesn't beep if I drive off without the
seatbelt on. This behavior makes little sense for any car, much less a
safety-oriented one. Is this normal or could I maybe have a defective
sensor or such?

J.D.
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Old 08-11-2005, 06:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light


"noname" <no@name.com> wrote in message
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> I recently purchased an S60 and I'm a bit confused with the seatbelt
> reminder light in the rearview mirror; it turns on after I turn the
> engine on, then it turns itself off in a few seconds, regardless of
> whether I have the seatbelt on or not. Shouldn't it stay on if I'm not
> wearing the belt? The car also doesn't beep if I drive off without the
> seatbelt on. This behavior makes little sense for any car, much less a
> safety-oriented one. Is this normal or could I maybe have a defective
> sensor or such?



No, your's is doing exactly what it should be. There should be a gong too,
also which goes silent after about 20-30seconds.

tim..


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Old 08-11-2005, 07:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light

"Tim.." wrote:
>
> "noname" <no@name.com> wrote in message
> news:qSCKe.2827$Z87.1425@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> > I recently purchased an S60 and I'm a bit confused with the seatbelt
> > reminder light in the rearview mirror; it turns on after I turn the
> > engine on, then it turns itself off in a few seconds, regardless of
> > whether I have the seatbelt on or not. Shouldn't it stay on if I'm not
> > wearing the belt? The car also doesn't beep if I drive off without the
> > seatbelt on. This behavior makes little sense for any car, much less a
> > safety-oriented one. Is this normal or could I maybe have a defective
> > sensor or such?

>
> No, your's is doing exactly what it should be. There should be a gong too,
> also which goes silent after about 20-30seconds.
>
> tim..


Seatbelt reminders used to stay on as long as the seat was occupied and
the belt not fastened. Then "they" discovered that people were simply
disconnecting/removing the lights and buzzers. So "they" figured it was
better to have a reminder for a short period at startup that would not
be disabled than one that was there all the time, but often disabled.

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Old 08-11-2005, 13:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light


"Mike F" <"mikef2316()"@allsttream.nett> skrev i meddelandet
news:42FB5179.D6E2ABF@allsttream.nett...
> "Tim.." wrote:
>>
>> "noname" <no@name.com> wrote in message
>> news:qSCKe.2827$Z87.1425@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> > I recently purchased an S60 and I'm a bit confused with the seatbelt
>> > reminder light in the rearview mirror; it turns on after I turn the
>> > engine on, then it turns itself off in a few seconds, regardless of
>> > whether I have the seatbelt on or not. Shouldn't it stay on if I'm not
>> > wearing the belt? The car also doesn't beep if I drive off without the
>> > seatbelt on. This behavior makes little sense for any car, much less a
>> > safety-oriented one. Is this normal or could I maybe have a defective
>> > sensor or such?

>>
>> No, your's is doing exactly what it should be. There should be a gong
>> too,
>> also which goes silent after about 20-30seconds.
>>
>> tim..

>
> Seatbelt reminders used to stay on as long as the seat was occupied and
> the belt not fastened. Then "they" discovered that people were simply
> disconnecting/removing the lights and buzzers. So "they" figured it was
> better to have a reminder for a short period at startup that would not
> be disabled than one that was there all the time, but often disabled.
>
> --
> Mike F.
> Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.
>
> Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
> (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)


Here in Sweden the S60 (and V70) turns the warning, and beep on at startup,
it beeps three times after startup, if you don't drive away. When you drive
away it beeps continously, all the time until you fasten the seatbelt. I've
tried it for at least 10 miles, and it just goes on beeping.

/Erik Lidén


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Old 08-11-2005, 16:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light

"Erik Lidén" <erik.liden.ingenspam@telia.com> wrote:

>Here in Sweden the S60 (and V70) turns the warning, and beep on at startup,
>it beeps three times after startup, if you don't drive away. When you drive
>away it beeps continously, all the time until you fasten the seatbelt. I've
>tried it for at least 10 miles, and it just goes on beeping.
>
>/Erik Lidén
>

I was a firefighter and part of our area of responsibility was a busy,
two-lane mountain highway, with no divider, and a 55mph speed limit.
Without going into detail, if people could see what I have seen,
seatblet warning lights would not be necessary.

The question comes to mind, "Are people so stupid that they need to be
reminded to wear their seatbelts?" Unfortunately, the answre is yes.
If it weren't for helmet laws, there would be a lot of motorcyclists
not wearing helmets as well.. In some ways, Darwin's theroies don't
apply.

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Old 08-12-2005, 06:02   #6 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light

"Randy G." wrote:
>
> "Erik Lidén" <erik.liden.ingenspam@telia.com> wrote:
>
> >Here in Sweden the S60 (and V70) turns the warning, and beep on at startup,
> >it beeps three times after startup, if you don't drive away. When you drive
> >away it beeps continously, all the time until you fasten the seatbelt. I've
> >tried it for at least 10 miles, and it just goes on beeping.
> >
> >/Erik Lidén
> >

> I was a firefighter and part of our area of responsibility was a busy,
> two-lane mountain highway, with no divider, and a 55mph speed limit.
> Without going into detail, if people could see what I have seen,
> seatblet warning lights would not be necessary.
>
> The question comes to mind, "Are people so stupid that they need to be
> reminded to wear their seatbelts?" Unfortunately, the answre is yes.
> If it weren't for helmet laws, there would be a lot of motorcyclists
> not wearing helmets as well.. In some ways, Darwin's theroies don't
> apply.
>
> __ __
> Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
> \__/olvos
> '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
> "Shelby" & "Kate"


Reminds me of a case I read about a few years back in one of the states
that didn't have a helmet law. The plaintiff crashed and got head
injuries, and tried to sue one of the helmet manufacturers. Not because
the helmet didn't protect him from injuries, but because the
manufacturer didn't try hard enough to convince him that he should be
wearing a helmet! That's right, he sued a helmet manufacturer even
though he wasn't even using their product.

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Old 08-12-2005, 06:02   #7 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light

"Erik Lidén" wrote:
>
> Here in Sweden the S60 (and V70) turns the warning, and beep on at startup,
> it beeps three times after startup, if you don't drive away. When you drive
> away it beeps continously, all the time until you fasten the seatbelt. I've
> tried it for at least 10 miles, and it just goes on beeping.
>
> /Erik Lidén


Well that's one of the advantages of an international forum. You can
find out differences in various country's laws. Often in Canada we just
march in lockstep with American rules on things automotive - I guess
because the domestic (i.e. American) auto makers are so integrated on
both sides of the border.

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Old 08-12-2005, 07:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: S60 belt reminder light

"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote in message
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> I was a firefighter and part of our area of responsibility was a busy,
> two-lane mountain highway, with no divider, and a 55mph speed limit.
> Without going into detail, if people could see what I have seen,
> seatblet warning lights would not be necessary.
>

I'm with you. I have two brothers who were involved in separate rollover
accidents. Neither was hurt because they were strapped in, although Pat was
injured when he unfastened the harness and fell on his head. He should have
waited for help.

In contrast, my wife's coworker slid her Mercedes convertible off an icy
highway a couple years ago and wasn't restrained. She was thinking as the
car rolled on its side "God, don't let me have a spinal cord injury!" Her
butt bent the door when she hit, fracturing two vertebrae and causing her to
be airlifted out. The car was otherwise undamaged - if she had been belted
in she could have had a wrecker pull it onto the road and driven home. I
don't know if the buzzers and warning lights work in my vehicles - I never
give them a chance to warn me.

Mike


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Old 08-12-2005, 11:01   #9 (permalink)
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S60 2.5T mileage too low? Was: S60 belt reminder light

Guys,

Thanks for your answers. I suspected this could be some gimmick for the
US market. I wonder if the beeping and the light were controlled by the
same sensor/circuit and instead of modifying that to keep the light on
but turn the beep off after some time, when the seatbelt's not on, they
just chose to have both turn of shortly after engine start.
Oh well ...

My new beef with the S60 is the mileage. Today I averaged 20.7 mpg on a
30-ish mile drive (virtually all of it freeway). I know new engines take
a while till they break in and reach the stated mileage. It took about
4K miles in my BMW but I think the improvement was around 15% or so. If
this is any similar, 15% will barely put my freeway mileage around 24.

What do you guys get in your S60s? I forgot to mention, mine was a 2.5T.

J.D.



noname wrote:
> I recently purchased an S60 and I'm a bit confused with the seatbelt
> reminder light in the rearview mirror; it turns on after I turn the
> engine on, then it turns itself off in a few seconds, regardless of
> whether I have the seatbelt on or not. Shouldn't it stay on if I'm not
> wearing the belt? The car also doesn't beep if I drive off without the
> seatbelt on. This behavior makes little sense for any car, much less a
> safety-oriented one. Is this normal or could I maybe have a defective
> sensor or such?
>
> J.D.

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Old 08-12-2005, 16:02   #10 (permalink)
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote in message
>news:9nfnf1dhhp4nj08emf9h1s9eohjf9d3hvi@4ax.com...
>> I was a firefighter and part of our area of responsibility was a busy,
>> two-lane mountain highway, with no divider, and a 55mph speed limit.
>> Without going into detail, if people could see what I have seen,
>> seatblet warning lights would not be necessary.
>>

>I'm with you. I have two brothers who were involved in separate rollover
>accidents. Neither was hurt because they were strapped in, although Pat was
>injured when he unfastened the harness and fell on his head. He should have
>waited for help.
>
>In contrast, my wife's coworker slid her Mercedes convertible off an icy
>highway a couple years ago and wasn't restrained. She was thinking as the
>car rolled on its side "God, don't let me have a spinal cord injury!" Her
>butt bent the door when she hit, fracturing two vertebrae and causing her to
>be airlifted out. The car was otherwise undamaged - if she had been belted
>in she could have had a wrecker pull it onto the road and driven home. I
>don't know if the buzzers and warning lights work in my vehicles - I never
>give them a chance to warn me.
>


There's a fellow up here who tells me, "I don't want to be belted in a
car and not able to escape after an accident." I tried to educate him
that, in the case of an accident, and he not wearing his belt, that he
will most likely be knocked unconcious and not able to escape anyway.
I should have just walked away, but you gotta try. The way I like to
drive, a 5 point looks pretty cool!

How can anyone watch a nascar race and watch drivers alk away from
horrendous crashes, and then not wear their seat belts? Oh, well...
The only problem is that I am the sort of person who ALWAYS stops for
an accident if the pros haven't shown up yet, and so I get to deal
with that sort of thing first-hand. When you walk up to a car and
there's an embossed face print sticking out of the windshield and the
steering wheel is half folded over, you know it's going to be a long
day for someone.

As a Marine friend once told me, "Hell ain't half full yet."

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