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Old 09-04-2005, 00:01   #1 (permalink)
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Tare weight of 2-series?

I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.

The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
capacity permitted where I am.

It's explained here:
<http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>

In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.

To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
(3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
the engine to the smaller capacity...

Any suggestions?

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Old 09-04-2005, 01:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?


"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1125815018.237214@idlweb...
> I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
> web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
> or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
>
> The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
> of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
> capacity permitted where I am.
>
> It's explained here:
> <http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>
>
> In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
> wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
> 10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
> but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
> etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.
>
> To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
> to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
> (3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
> the engine to the smaller capacity...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --



How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350?

IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs, there's so many
variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to
within a hundred pounds or so. Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap
yard should have a vehicle scale.


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Old 09-04-2005, 02:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?

James Sweet <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote:

> How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350?


It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from
the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine
clearly states that it's a 350.

> IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs,


I found reference to early 264GLEs and 244GLTs over the 3155lbs that I
was looking for. I just need to find a viable way of proving it...

> there's so many
> variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to
> within a hundred pounds or so.


Vehicle manufacturers specify down to far less. Often, they'll specify
the weight of a car to an odd number of kg, but the AU model will have a
different specified weight to the US model, Canadian model, etc..

> Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap
> yard should have a vehicle scale.


The weight I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
modified.

So far, I've found this web site that has dubious accuracy:
<http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=106315>

The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a
1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much
lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead
of the 2.7L.

I'm hoping that I'll be able to confirm the weight of a 240GLT as 1440kg
because that would solve the problem. :-)

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Old 09-04-2005, 13:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?

>
> It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from
> the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine
> clearly states that it's a 350.
>


I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different
there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is.

>
> The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a
> 1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much
> lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead
> of the 2.7L.
>


I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many
of them but they did make them.



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Old 09-04-2005, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
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James Sweet <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different
> there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is.


Bureaucrats care. :-p

> I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many
> of them but they did make them.


It was called a "240", not a "244" in 1980?

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Old 09-05-2005, 01:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?

athol wrote:
>
> I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
> web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
> or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
>
> The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
> of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
> capacity permitted where I am.
>
> It's explained here:
> <http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>
>
> In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
> wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
> 10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
> but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
> etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.
>
> To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
> to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
> (3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
> the engine to the smaller capacity...
>
> Any suggestions?
>


will the owners manual do? It isn't always pointed out that those
weights include the driver. Otherwise the diesel (1369) is slightly
heavier than the turbo (1364). Some markets had 244 GLT's with the V6,
these might be heavier. 1980 turbo's could be police versions, or you
might put it down to the volvo practice of introducing 81 models in the
fall of '80.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?

athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
>web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
>or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
>


That's never been easy. Depending on what country and what the car is,
all sorts of "standards" might have been used. In the US, in the 40's
some cars' weights were listed dry, and without tires, but that was
not generally advertised. I think it might have had something to do
with registration or shipping fees, but that's hjust a guess.


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Old 09-07-2005, 17:01   #8 (permalink)
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Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of
manufacture, etc? Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight
I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the
issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if
your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that
should trouble you also. Good Luck.
Randy G. wrote:
> athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
>>web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
>>or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
>>

>
>
> That's never been easy. Depending on what country and what the car is,
> all sorts of "standards" might have been used. In the US, in the 40's
> some cars' weights were listed dry, and without tires, but that was
> not generally advertised. I think it might have had something to do
> with registration or shipping fees, but that's hjust a guess.
>
>
> __ __
> Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
> \__/olvos
> '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
> "Shelby" & "Kate"

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Old 09-07-2005, 17:02   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Tare weight of 2-series?

Googled it and looks like 1293 kg for a 1980 262 GL.
JDG wrote:

> Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of
> manufacture, etc? Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight
> I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
> modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the
> issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if
> your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that
> should trouble you also. Good Luck.
> Randy G. wrote:
>
>> athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
>>> web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too
>>> light
>>> or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
>>>

>>
>>
>> That's never been easy. Depending on what country and what the car is,
>> all sorts of "standards" might have been used. In the US, in the 40's
>> some cars' weights were listed dry, and without tires, but that was
>> not generally advertised. I think it might have had something to do
>> with registration or shipping fees, but that's hjust a guess.
>>
>>
>> __ __
>> Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
>> \__/olvos
>> '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
>> "Shelby" & "Kate"

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Old 09-07-2005, 23:01   #10 (permalink)
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JDG <jdgibson@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of
> manufacture, etc?


Door sticker? No such thing on an Australian market vehicle.

> Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight
> I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
> modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the
> issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if
> your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that
> should trouble you also. Good Luck.


The rule here applies to the heaviest variant, not to the actual car.

Because of what I do for a living, my own vehicle has to be beyond
reproach. If not, I could genuinely jeopardise my career.

Pretending that a 350 is a 327 could be a serious issue. Proving that a
turbocharged 350 is okay would eliminate the problem.

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