mdrawson

I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended road
trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger as a
"road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American car
(altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to Volvo,
either the XC90 or S80.

I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford connection ---
I really don't want a Swedish Ford....

Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the S80 or
the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo engineers?
What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical systems into these
cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars still have the
traditional Volvo reliability?

Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.

Robert Lutwak

"...traditional Volvo reliability..."

he he he

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-RL


"mdrawson" <mdrawson@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
> replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended road
> trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger as
> a "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American
> car (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to
> Volvo, either the XC90 or S80.
>
> I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford
> connection --- I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
>
> Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the S80
> or the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo
> engineers? What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical
> systems into these cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars
> still have the traditional Volvo reliability?
>
> Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
>

James Sweet

"mdrawson" <mdrawson@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
> replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended road
> trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger as
a
> "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American
car
> (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to
Volvo,
> either the XC90 or S80.
>
> I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford
connection ---
> I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
>
> Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the S80
or
> the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo
engineers?
> What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical systems into
these
> cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars still have the
> traditional Volvo reliability?
>
> Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
>
>


So far they don't seem to have a whole lot of Ford influence, let's hope it
stays that way.

John Horner

mdrawson wrote:
> I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
> replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended road
> trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger as a
> "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American car
> (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to Volvo,
> either the XC90 or S80.
>
> I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford connection ---
> I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
>
> Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the S80 or
> the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo engineers?
> What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical systems into these
> cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars still have the
> traditional Volvo reliability?
>
> Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
>
>

Mostly the flow seems to be going the other way, with the S80 heavily
donating to the new Ford Five Hundred.

Generally the S80 has not turned in top-of-the-class reliability
results, but very few modern Euro vehicles have done so!

John

Steve

"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "mdrawson" <mdrawson@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:NPGMe.20576$Ie.9380@lakeread03...
> > I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
> > replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended
road
> > trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger
as
> a
> > "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American
> car
> > (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to
> Volvo,
> > either the XC90 or S80.
> >
> > I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford
> connection ---
> > I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
> >
> > Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the
S80
> or
> > the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo
> engineers?
> > What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical systems into
> these
> > cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars still have the
> > traditional Volvo reliability?
> >
> > Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
> >
> >
>
>
> So far they don't seem to have a whole lot of Ford influence, let's hope
it
> stays that way.
>
>

Indeed, it looks like Ford has been counting on Volvo to save their bacon!
After concentrating on buying European marquees and building huge SUV's the
Taurus and the entire US car line was a shambles, so Volvo and Mazda in the
small cars have been having an influence upon Ford.

There seems to be some of the same look in recent fords and Volvos in
instruments and other inside pieces but not too bad...yet...

mdrawson

How much of that poor return on the S80 do you suppose is due to the
6-cylinder T6? I notice that they've discontinued that engine as of '06
models.


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> mdrawson wrote:
>> I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
>> replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended
>> road trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit
>> larger as a "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy
>> an American car (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep
>> coming back to Volvo, either the XC90 or S80.
>>
>> I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford
>> connection --- I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
>>
>> Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the S80
>> or the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo
>> engineers? What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical
>> systems into these cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars
>> still have the traditional Volvo reliability?
>>
>> Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
>
> Mostly the flow seems to be going the other way, with the S80 heavily
> donating to the new Ford Five Hundred.
>
> Generally the S80 has not turned in top-of-the-class reliability results,
> but very few modern Euro vehicles have done so!
>
> John

mdrawson

Just so we can stay away from Ford electrics, which historically have been
disastrous.

"Steve" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> "James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "mdrawson" <mdrawson@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:NPGMe.20576$Ie.9380@lakeread03...
>> > I've been looking for the past 6 mos for a somewhat larger vehicle to
>> > replace my 2000 S70T5, which is at 100K and which we use for extended
> road
>> > trips. I'm looking for something with the same power but a bit larger
> as
>> a
>> > "road car". After looking all over, and not wanting to buy an American
>> car
>> > (altho the Dodge Magnum hemi is very tempting), I keep coming back to
>> Volvo,
>> > either the XC90 or S80.
>> >
>> > I've resisted looking seriously at Volvo bexcause of the Ford
>> connection ---
>> > I really don't want a Swedish Ford....
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any info on just how much Ford has tinkered with the
> S80
>> or
>> > the XC90? Or have they, hopefully, left these cars to the Volvo
>> engineers?
>> > What about electrics? Has Ford put their own electrical systems into
>> these
>> > cars, or have they left that alone? Do these cars still have the
>> > traditional Volvo reliability?
>> >
>> > Any input very much appreciated. Thanx.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> So far they don't seem to have a whole lot of Ford influence, let's hope
> it
>> stays that way.
>>
>>
>
> Indeed, it looks like Ford has been counting on Volvo to save their bacon!
> After concentrating on buying European marquees and building huge SUV's
> the
> Taurus and the entire US car line was a shambles, so Volvo and Mazda in
> the
> small cars have been having an influence upon Ford.
>
> There seems to be some of the same look in recent fords and Volvos in
> instruments and other inside pieces but not too bad...yet...
>
>

Jim Carriere

mdrawson wrote:
> Just so we can stay away from Ford electrics, which historically have been
> disastrous.

<chuckle>

As opposed to the fusebox in the 140/240, the mid 1980s 240 wiring
harnesses, the entire electrical system in the '98 S/V70s, the
electronic throttle in the '99 and newer 5 cylinder engines...

:)