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Old 01-06-2006, 05:01   #1 (permalink)
Lee_D
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101ers Sixstud out yet?

Has Six stud come out yet? I recall there is normally one around Chrimbo?
Just wondering incase mines gone awol

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Old 01-06-2006, 07:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:hbrsr112nro98qn3s591v8h0iffaisk26a@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:57 -0000, "Lee_D"
> <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>
>>Has Six stud come out yet? I recall there is normally one around Chrimbo?
>>Just wondering incase mines gone awol

>
> At the printers, will be in the post early next week. I think you'll
> agree that the wait is worth it - I've got a proof here, quite a work
> of art.


Super Ta!


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Old 01-07-2006, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:16:27 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:57 -0000, "Lee_D"
><newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>
>>Has Six stud come out yet? I recall there is normally one around Chrimbo?
>>Just wondering incase mines gone awol

>
>At the printers, will be in the post early next week. I think you'll
>agree that the wait is worth it - I've got a proof here, quite a work
>of art.


did you get your GLASS mag Martyn? SWMBO wants some feedback....
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Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
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Old 01-07-2006, 17:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:42:25 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>Now... Photographs of committee members???
>Hmm... that'd better never catch on in our club mag or I'm orf!


as would be a lot of the club members! :p
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Old 01-08-2006, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:42:25 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:07:28 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <me@privacy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>At the printers, will be in the post early next week. I think you'll
>>>agree that the wait is worth it - I've got a proof here, quite a work
>>>of art.

>>
>>did you get your GLASS mag Martyn? SWMBO wants some feedback....

>
>Arrived yesterday morning - give her a huge thumbs-up :-)
>
>One thing I've always not really liked about the GLASS newsletter, and
>this is nothing at all to do with whoever edits it, is the quality of
>the b/w photographs on printed page.
>


cant work it out either for the photos, as they look ok on the screen,
and when we proof print it home on my Samsung Laserjet they look
okay... The printing company are looking at it!

A word of warning for all budding editors out there.... *do not* use
MS Publisher, it causes more aggro than it is worth.... OK for home
printed stuff, but useless for commercial printing. Then again, it is
MS software, which tends to make it useless at anything....
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Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
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Old 01-09-2006, 00:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On or around Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:48:15 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<me@privacy.net> enlightened us thusly:

>cant work it out either for the photos, as they look ok on the screen,
>and when we proof print it home on my Samsung Laserjet they look
>okay... The printing company are looking at it!


I've found you can get silly answers with different screening fighting
eachother: scan a screenprinted photo at e.g. 300 dpi and it comes out with
patterns on it, scan the same photo, without having moved it on the scanner,
at e.g. 313 dpi and it has different patterns. A certain amount of faffing
around can usually get a result with acceptable level of pattern on it,
sometimes in conjunction with post-processing to remove the patterns.

examples:

http://www.roman-road.co.uk/austin/1000hp/1000hp_1.jpg
http://www.roman-road.co.uk/austin/1000hp/1000hp_2.jpg
http://www.roman-road.co.uk/austin/1000hp/1000hp_3.jpg

some of which still show slight patterns.

'course, if it's direct import photos and not scans, I dunno. Worth noting
that glossy magazines work at 1200dpi at least, now - so a 6x4 picture, say,
is going to be 7200x4800 pixels, which is much more than yer average camera
does and more in fact than any digital camera. A decent scanner now may
scan at 1200dpi real resolution, but anything less decent will be
interpolating anyway.

There are other aspects when printing in monochrome - like where in the
process it's converted to a greyscale image. I tend to reckon on supplying
a colour image for the printer to convert, but you have to get it right -
too contrasty an image can get even more contrasty when converted -
sometimes, it's worth deliberately lowering the contrast in the colour
original. Then there's always the chance that someone accidentally save is
as the wrong file type and doesn't notice... there's a fax format which
looks at first glance to be a tiff file, for example, but renders literal
black-and-white images.

>A word of warning for all budding editors out there.... *do not* use
>MS Publisher, it causes more aggro than it is worth.... OK for home
>printed stuff, but useless for commercial printing. Then again, it is
>MS software, which tends to make it useless at anything....


bleck. I tried using it once, ages ago. DTP of choice here for many years
is pagemaker, currently version 6.5 which is not exactly current, but that's
'cos I can't afford the latest version. Mac types tend to swear by
QuarkExpress, ISTR. Pagemaker does everything I want it to and can do such
things as producing 4 separate images for 4-colour process printing and the
like. Main problem is compatibility, as ever. I tend to produce oversize
originals (for adverts and the like) which they can scan and reduce to
maintain the quality. The other possibility is to print to a postscript
file or convert to PDF - all depends on what your printer (the person, not
the machine) can most effectively deal with.

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Old 01-09-2006, 01:02   #7 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On 2006-01-09, Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

> I've found you can get silly answers with different screening fighting
> eachother: scan a screenprinted photo at e.g. 300 dpi and it comes out with
> patterns on it, scan the same photo, without having moved it on the scanner,
> at e.g. 313 dpi and it has different patterns.


This is "moire patterning", a common problem. Some photo manipulation
packages have processing tools to get rid of it, but I tend to just
avoid scanning in halftone images (e.g. newspaper photos) as they're
the worst.

> There are other aspects when printing in monochrome - like where in the
> process it's converted to a greyscale image. I tend to reckon on supplying
> a colour image for the printer to convert, but you have to get it right -
> too contrasty an image can get even more contrasty when converted -
> sometimes, it's worth deliberately lowering the contrast in the colour
> original.


Best bet is just to convert to greyscale yourself, it's hard to judge
how much contrast will be in an image when the colour is removed, ask
any photographer who's done B/W arty work. The problem comes from the
way the RGB channels combine, if your package allows it you can get
the best results by combining the luminence data from the three
channels in differing amounts, as well as the obvious way of
manipulating the levels curve. The three channels method can bring
out some areas of the image more than others.

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Old 01-10-2006, 02:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:12:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Best bet is just to convert to greyscale yourself, it's hard to judge
>how much contrast will be in an image when the colour is removed, ask
>any photographer who's done B/W arty work.


indeed. however, I've had silly result from supplying printed originals for
scanning. In the end I supplied a colour original and it worked better.

>The problem comes from the way the RGB channels combine,


and the fact that different software does it differently, of course.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: 101ers Sixstud out yet?

On 2006-01-10, Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

> On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:12:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
><news05@tarcus.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>The problem comes from the way the RGB channels combine,

>
> and the fact that different software does it differently, of course.


It's not so much the software, but light itself, photographers who
work in monochrome have the same problem in that two colours that are
easily distinguishable resolve to almost the same shade of grey. A
trick I used to use when photographing monochrome shots was to hold up
red, green and blue filters in turn (holding them all up together
results in no light getting through!) to assess the contrasting areas
of the image from the individual colours, and sometimes I'd take the
picture through the filter if it worked better in one colour than the
other. The film stock was of course monochrome so the colours never
made it to the final image.

There are filters you can get that claim to remove colour from images
when you look through them although I doubt they are that effective as
I'm not sure how such a thing would work and have never seen them.

However with a computer you can remove the colour from an image,
extend the levels of the monochrome image and then tune it in the
software to the output curves of the printers that are used. You
could even add solid black and solid white squares outside of the
cropped image once you've got the levels right so that the print shop
would know exactly what you wanted, although I've never worked in a
print shop so have no idea if they can justify tailoring individual
images at the relevant price point.

I'm told though that PDF these days is the best format to give to a
print shop for complete pages.

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Old 01-10-2006, 06:01   #10 (permalink)
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On 2006-01-10, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> This is how our club mag is produced. LaTeX output to .pdf then ftp'd
> to the printer.


Heh, you are a geek after all, even I stopped using LaTeX about a year
ago for anything other than personal letters, I've used it since 2001
for producing customer reports and since 1993 or so for most things,
have now moved to Open Office but intend to produce them using Java
over the next year or so.

Probably Java outputting SGML mind ;-)

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