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#1 ·
200 tdi engine
Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a bloody
huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
 
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#2 ·
On Friday 12 August 2005 20:25, jOn(nospamta@ntl-world.com) wrote in message
<3m4bdjF14vgglU1@individual.net>

> 200 tdi engine
> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?


What!? Can't it be relined with a wet/dry liner?
FFS, is this a working engine or a poncy flounceabout engine!

I heard a vague rumour that an old 2.25 petrol engine block is the same as a
more modern 200tdi/300tdi/TD5 block. Is it true?
I know someone who went into a local Land Rover dealership and asked for a
head gasket for his 2.25 petrol engined S2A and they gave him a head gasket
which they also fit to the 300tdi (or was it the TD5) so gasket-wise they
are so similar as to be the same.

If none of the above is true[1] then I'd try visiting your local engine
specialists. If you're near Lancaster (Lancashire, UK) I know of a place
which is good for that sort of thing. They did a very good job with a
friend's 80" S1 engine - runs like a good'n!

[1] and it might not be after 3/5 of a bottle of luverly red wine.

--
2001 FZS600 - Silver/Black
1974 SIII Land Rover - Hardtop 2.25 Petrol, Green
1954 Ford 100E Prefect - Black
 
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#3 ·
"PDannyD" <dan1970@TIBSIHTEVOMERscenicplace.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:ddj25p$goq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> On Friday 12 August 2005 20:25, jOn(nospamta@ntl-world.com) wrote in
> message
> <3m4bdjF14vgglU1@individual.net>
>
>> 200 tdi engine
>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?

>
> What!? Can't it be relined with a wet/dry liner?
> FFS, is this a working engine or a poncy flounceabout engine!
>
> I heard a vague rumour that an old 2.25 petrol engine block is the same as
> a
> more modern 200tdi/300tdi/TD5 block. Is it true?
> I know someone who went into a local Land Rover dealership and asked for a
> head gasket for his 2.25 petrol engined S2A and they gave him a head
> gasket
> which they also fit to the 300tdi (or was it the TD5) so gasket-wise they
> are so similar as to be the same.
>
> If none of the above is true[1] then I'd try visiting your local engine
> specialists. If you're near Lancaster (Lancashire, UK) I know of a place
> which is good for that sort of thing. They did a very good job with a
> friend's 80" S1 engine - runs like a good'n!
>
> [1] and it might not be after 3/5 of a bottle of luverly red wine.


I know the crank is the same as my naD but other than that I dont know
 
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#4 ·
"jOn" <nospamta@ntl-world.com> wrote in message
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>
> "PDannyD" <dan1970@TIBSIHTEVOMERscenicplace.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:ddj25p$goq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> On Friday 12 August 2005 20:25, jOn(nospamta@ntl-world.com) wrote in
>> message
>> <3m4bdjF14vgglU1@individual.net>
>>
>>> 200 tdi engine
>>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?

>>
>> What!? Can't it be relined with a wet/dry liner?
>> FFS, is this a working engine or a poncy flounceabout engine!
>>
>> I heard a vague rumour that an old 2.25 petrol engine block is the same
>> as a
>> more modern 200tdi/300tdi/TD5 block. Is it true?
>> I know someone who went into a local Land Rover dealership and asked for
>> a
>> head gasket for his 2.25 petrol engined S2A and they gave him a head
>> gasket
>> which they also fit to the 300tdi (or was it the TD5) so gasket-wise they
>> are so similar as to be the same.
>>
>> If none of the above is true[1] then I'd try visiting your local engine
>> specialists. If you're near Lancaster (Lancashire, UK) I know of a place
>> which is good for that sort of thing. They did a very good job with a
>> friend's 80" S1 engine - runs like a good'n!
>>
>> [1] and it might not be after 3/5 of a bottle of luverly red wine.

>
> I know the crank is the same as my naD but other than that I dont know


Block is different, 2 oil return passages cast on the outside of the cam
chest area at the top for starters. Hence the head gasket must be different
as well. TD5 has 5 cylinders, so no interchangeable blocks or gaskets there,
then! I think your red wine must be pretty potent.....
Hang on, I'm seeing double now.... oh, no I'm not, it's an Iceberg engine!
;-)
Badger.
 
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#5 ·
On Friday 12 August 2005 22:06, Badger(brianhatton@btinternet.com) wrote in
message <ddj31f$h8s$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>

>
> "jOn" <nospamta@ntl-world.com> wrote in message
> news:3m4h36F1518hvU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "PDannyD" <dan1970@TIBSIHTEVOMERscenicplace.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>> message news:ddj25p$goq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> On Friday 12 August 2005 20:25, jOn(nospamta@ntl-world.com) wrote in
>>> message
>>> <3m4bdjF14vgglU1@individual.net>
>>>
>>>> 200 tdi engine
>>>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>>>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>>>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>>>
>>> What!? Can't it be relined with a wet/dry liner?
>>> FFS, is this a working engine or a poncy flounceabout engine!
>>>
>>> I heard a vague rumour that an old 2.25 petrol engine block is the same
>>> as a
>>> more modern 200tdi/300tdi/TD5 block. Is it true?
>>> I know someone who went into a local Land Rover dealership and asked for
>>> a
>>> head gasket for his 2.25 petrol engined S2A and they gave him a head
>>> gasket
>>> which they also fit to the 300tdi (or was it the TD5) so gasket-wise
>>> they are so similar as to be the same.
>>>
>>> If none of the above is true[1] then I'd try visiting your local engine
>>> specialists. If you're near Lancaster (Lancashire, UK) I know of a place
>>> which is good for that sort of thing. They did a very good job with a
>>> friend's 80" S1 engine - runs like a good'n!
>>>
>>> [1] and it might not be after 3/5 of a bottle of luverly red wine.

>>
>> I know the crank is the same as my naD but other than that I dont know

>
> Block is different, 2 oil return passages cast on the outside of the cam
> chest area at the top for starters. Hence the head gasket must be
> different as well. TD5 has 5 cylinders, so no interchangeable blocks or
> gaskets there, then! I think your red wine must be pretty potent.....
> Hang on, I'm seeing double now.... oh, no I'm not, it's an Iceberg engine!
> ;-)


What do you mean, "potent"? It's only 13%. You trying to say summat or what?
<big smiley, just in case a normal one is missed>
COOoooor! This Blossom Hill red is better than Lemsip. I haven't coughed
once since the first glass. Did I forget to mention that I have oneheluva
head cold?

Hang on! My glass is over *there* so HTF did some wine manage to splash
across onto my keyboard which is over *here*? It's just not physically
possible!

Anyway, perhaps they meant the 200/300tdi gaskets can be used with a 2.25
petrol engine but not the other way round. I shall investigate when sober
and un-ill.

--
2001 FZS600 - Silver/Black
1974 SIII Land Rover - Hardtop 2.25 Petrol, Green
1954 Ford 100E Prefect - Black
 
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#6 ·
jOn wrote:
> 200 tdi engine
> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a bloody
> huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>
>


A 200 TDi can be rebored +0.040" (1mm over size) ! Grooves 0.5 mm deep
are enormous. Get a proper second opinion Jon.

Steve
 
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#7 ·
"steve Taylor" <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in message
news:42fd1352$0$14057$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> jOn wrote:
>> 200 tdi engine
>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>> bloody
>> huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>>
>>

>
> A 200 TDi can be rebored +0.040" (1mm over size) ! Grooves 0.5 mm deep
> are enormous. Get a proper second opinion Jon.
>
> Steve

3 cylinders are not so bad where as the other has the biggest groove I've
ever seen it died of loads of crankcase pressure, and h gasket was ok.
 
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#9 ·
jOn wrote:

> 3 cylinders are not so bad where as the other has the biggest groove I've
> ever seen it died of loads of crankcase pressure, and h gasket was ok.


See if you can get it rebored on a no-win no-fee basis ! I think these
scratches look worse than they are quite often.

The guys who redid mine in Bury, Lancs., only charge me 85 quid.

Steve
 
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#11 ·
In news:42fd1352$0$14057$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk,
steve Taylor <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> blithered:
> jOn wrote:
>> 200 tdi engine
>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>>
>>

>
> A 200 TDi can be rebored +0.040" (1mm over size) ! Grooves 0.5 mm deep
> are enormous. Get a proper second opinion Jon.
>
> Steve


But that puts it on the limit! your 40"' is diameter while the 0.5mm groove depth
is radius.

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!
 
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#12 ·
On or around Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:58:45 +0100, "GbH"
<Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm> enlightened us thusly:

>In news:42fd1352$0$14057$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk,
>steve Taylor <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> blithered:
>> jOn wrote:
>>> 200 tdi engine
>>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.
>>> Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>>>
>>>

>>
>> A 200 TDi can be rebored +0.040" (1mm over size) ! Grooves 0.5 mm deep
>> are enormous. Get a proper second opinion Jon.
>>
>> Steve

>
>But that puts it on the limit! your 40"' is diameter while the 0.5mm groove depth
>is radius.


yebbut, he didn't say he had 0.5mm grooves. Steve was, I think, implying
that to get 0.5mm grooves would be very unlikely, and thus 'most any grooves
would be fixable by a rebore.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
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#13 ·
In news:t9nrf1ltcbiipm6abi2nn4tn9jdn0493sp@4ax.com,
Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> blithered:
> On or around Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:58:45 +0100, "GbH"
> <Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In news:42fd1352$0$14057$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk,
>> steve Taylor <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> blithered:
>>> jOn wrote:
>>>> 200 tdi engine
>>>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn
>>>> a bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond
>>>> repair. Failing that, whats a head etc worth?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A 200 TDi can be rebored +0.040" (1mm over size) ! Grooves 0.5 mm
>>> deep are enormous. Get a proper second opinion Jon.
>>>
>>> Steve

>>
>> But that puts it on the limit! your 40"' is diameter while the 0.5mm
>> groove depth is radius.

>
> yebbut, he didn't say he had 0.5mm grooves. Steve was, I think,
> implying that to get 0.5mm grooves would be very unlikely, and thus
> 'most any grooves would be fixable by a rebore.


Agreed.

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!
 
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#14 ·
jOn wrote:
> "PDannyD" <dan1970@TIBSIHTEVOMERscenicplace.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:ddj25p$goq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> On Friday 12 August 2005 20:25, jOn(nospamta@ntl-world.com) wrote in
>> message
>> <3m4bdjF14vgglU1@individual.net>
>>
>>> 200 tdi engine
>>> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a
>>> bloody huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond
>>> repair. Failing that, whats a head etc worth?

>>
>> What!? Can't it be relined with a wet/dry liner?
>> FFS, is this a working engine or a poncy flounceabout engine!
>>
>> I heard a vague rumour that an old 2.25 petrol engine block is the
>> same as a
>> more modern 200tdi/300tdi/TD5 block. Is it true?
>> I know someone who went into a local Land Rover dealership and asked
>> for a head gasket for his 2.25 petrol engined S2A and they gave him
>> a head gasket
>> which they also fit to the 300tdi (or was it the TD5) so gasket-wise
>> they are so similar as to be the same.
>>
>> If none of the above is true[1] then I'd try visiting your local
>> engine specialists. If you're near Lancaster (Lancashire, UK) I know
>> of a place which is good for that sort of thing. They did a very
>> good job with a friend's 80" S1 engine - runs like a good'n!
>>
>> [1] and it might not be after 3/5 of a bottle of luverly red wine.

>
> I know the crank is the same as my naD but other than that I dont know


Can't be same as a TD5, the TD5 has 5 cylinders!!

Nige
--�
Subaru WRX (Annabel)

Landrover 110 County Station Wagon (Tyson)

'"Say hello to my little friend"
 
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#15 ·
On 2005-08-12, jOn <nospamta@ntl-world.com> wrote:
> 200 tdi engine
> Is it possible to get another block? as the piston rings have worn a bloody
> huge groove in the bore, and I've been told its beyond repair.


Worth a second opinion at that price. Are you anywhere near Turner
Engineering? They really know their stuff.

-- Pete
 
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