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Old 11-22-2005, 13:01   #1 (permalink)
cyberwraith
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another battery question

yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know just
what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go out to my
Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three times to be sure
and try to start. The engine seems to attempt turning but no firing. OK I
test the battery with a large eye dropper kind of thingy, (yup I am
technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells are needy for a charge. So I
charge it which takes 3 hours and the car starts first time. Monday morning,
it starts but only on fifth attempt and then grudgingly, today Tuesday
similar. I have not checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would it be the
battery at fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because without the car
I am housebound due to disability, and the battery still has 1 year of
guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make before to returning
the battery and looking like a prize pillock?
Thanks for any help folks it is always appreciated.
cyberwraith


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Old 11-22-2005, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: another battery question

....and cyberwraith spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know
> just what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go
> out to my Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three
> times to be sure and try to start. The engine seems to attempt
> turning but no firing. OK I test the battery with a large eye dropper
> kind of thingy, (yup I am technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells
> are needy for a charge. So I charge it which takes 3 hours and the
> car starts first time. Monday morning, it starts but only on fifth
> attempt and then grudgingly, today Tuesday similar. I have not
> checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would it be the battery at
> fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because without the car I am
> housebound due to disability, and the battery still has 1 year of
> guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make before to
> returning the battery and looking like a prize pillock? Thanks for any
> help folks it is always appreciated.
> cyberwraith


If all the cells were similar, I'd say it was either a charging or earthing
problem. The fact that some of the cells are lower than others suggests the
battery itself is faulty. If it's got some warranty on it, take it back.
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Old 11-22-2005, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
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cyberwraith wrote:
> yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know just
> what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go out to my
> Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three times to be sure
> and try to start. The engine seems to attempt turning but no firing. OK I
> test the battery with a large eye dropper kind of thingy, (yup I am
> technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells are needy for a charge. So I
> charge it which takes 3 hours and the car starts first time. Monday morning,
> it starts but only on fifth attempt and then grudgingly, today Tuesday
> similar. I have not checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would it be the
> battery at fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because without the car
> I am housebound due to disability, and the battery still has 1 year of
> guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make before to returning
> the battery and looking like a prize pillock?
> Thanks for any help folks it is always appreciated.


If the starter is getting low voltage then the engine will be slow to
crank over - and diesels don't like starting when cranked too slowly.

This could be dirty connections, faulty battery or a faulty starter.
You need to check all the connections between battery and starter,
especially the earth connection. It's probably also worth checking the
current draw of the starter - unless you've got a clamp style ammeter
that reads to about 500A you'll probably have to get a garage to check
it for you. I'm sure someone here will have a sensible figure for tdi
starter current - my books are miles away so I can't look it up but my
gut feel is ~250A.

Also the uneven sg of the battery cells doesn't sound great so it may be
worth getting it properly tested with a view to claiming on the
warranty. Be aware however that a new battery may have sufficient extra
power to initially overcome a fauly starter problem, but as the battery
ages the problem may reoccur - it's probably well worth checking the
starter current just to be sure that all is well.

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Old 11-22-2005, 13:02   #4 (permalink)
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My policy with car batteries is always try and fit the biggest "size"
battery as possible, these new designs don't account for cold weather, and
in all the years I have been driving it is always the 2 to 3 year old bat
which is sized just about to cope with the car its fitted to which lets you
down in the depths of winter. there is no substitute for cross sectional
area of plate or layers, this can only be achieved with a physically big
bat. This is what I do and touch wood have not had any problems in the cold
also you can get away with leaving your side lights on and still start the
car..

Rich
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"cyberwraith" <jfnfy4evr@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know just
> what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go out to my
> Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three times to be

sure
> and try to start. The engine seems to attempt turning but no firing. OK I
> test the battery with a large eye dropper kind of thingy, (yup I am
> technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells are needy for a charge. So I
> charge it which takes 3 hours and the car starts first time. Monday

morning,
> it starts but only on fifth attempt and then grudgingly, today Tuesday
> similar. I have not checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would it be the
> battery at fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because without the

car
> I am housebound due to disability, and the battery still has 1 year of
> guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make before to returning
> the battery and looking like a prize pillock?
> Thanks for any help folks it is always appreciated.
> cyberwraith
>
>



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Old 11-22-2005, 16:01   #5 (permalink)
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"cyberwraith" <jfnfy4evr@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:lpKgf.40$Lf4.13@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know just
> what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go out to my
> Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three times to be
> sure and try to start. The engine seems to attempt turning but no firing.
> OK I test the battery with a large eye dropper kind of thingy, (yup I am
> technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells are needy for a charge. So I
> charge it which takes 3 hours and the car starts first time. Monday
> morning, it starts but only on fifth attempt and then grudgingly, today
> Tuesday similar. I have not checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would
> it be the battery at fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because
> without the car I am housebound due to disability, and the battery still
> has 1 year of guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make
> before to returning the battery and looking like a prize pillock?
> Thanks for any help folks it is always appreciated.
> cyberwraith

Take it to a proper garage/battery specialist with a load tester if it is
dodgy it will take a charge and appear ok for a day or so but not maintain
the charge That on a hyrometer test may appear similar to a battery which is
just not being charged sufficiently. A load tester will show up any
deficiency by stressing the battery the same way starting does have a look
at
http://www.marcspages.co.uk/tech/5104.htm answering a different question but
covering your concern
Derek
( we used to check individual cells before progress sealed them away)


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Old 11-22-2005, 16:01   #6 (permalink)
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On or around Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:34:41 GMT, "cyberwraith"
<jfnfy4evr@ntlworld.com> enlightened us thusly:

>yes it is that time of the year, but until it gets here we never know just
>what will fail. Right Sunday morning very cold and frosty, go out to my
>Disco insert key, wait for the 'pig tail' to go out, three times to be sure
>and try to start. The engine seems to attempt turning but no firing. OK I
>test the battery with a large eye dropper kind of thingy, (yup I am
>technical) which tells me 4 out of 6 cells are needy for a charge. So I
>charge it which takes 3 hours and the car starts first time. Monday morning,
>it starts but only on fifth attempt and then grudgingly, today Tuesday
>similar. I have not checked the battery but will tomorrow. Would it be the
>battery at fault or just cold start syndrome? I ask because without the car
>I am housebound due to disability, and the battery still has 1 year of
>guarantee left. Is there any other checks I could make before to returning
>the battery and looking like a prize pillock?
>Thanks for any help folks it is always appreciated.
>cyberwraith
>


does sound iffy if some cells are down more than others.

another thing to check is glowplugs. Although a good TDi shouldn't *really*
need 'em, if the battery is up to it. The 300 TDi here only once failed to
start, when its original battery gave up at about 8 years old (!).

The Ford Di in the minibus doesn't seem to have any, and it's started so far
this year.

See other thread about batteries for discos though. You can put a biggun on
it, 643 or 644 - need a minor mod to the battery clamp and IIRC move a cable
from the side of the engine bay to get it in. Gives peace of mind that the
battery is big enough, and they tend to be cheaper to boot.

If you need to know which number, I'll look it up tomorrow.
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Old 11-22-2005, 16:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: another battery question

Thanks for all the help and advise folks. Tomorrow morning I will take the
Disco to my local garage and get the test done. I shall keep you all
updated.


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Old 11-22-2005, 17:01   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks about the info regarding larger battery. Off the top of my head I
cannot recall what is on Edie, pronounced eedee, except that it is a heavy
duty one. When I go to the garage tomorrow I shall enquire about a larger
one. ooer!


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Old 11-23-2005, 05:01   #9 (permalink)
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Right update time, I have had the battery tested and it failed! The
alternator is ok putting out 14.4v so this afternoon I am off back to a
certain chainstore which shall remain nameless, and which I will certainly
never go to again. This will be the 4th item returned! Guess the store,
think of a murderous sci-fi computer and then add the name of an American
car manufacturer, who stole LR, in my opinion anyway.


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Old 11-23-2005, 07:01   #10 (permalink)
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On or around Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:27:09 GMT, "cyberwraith"
<jfnfy4evr@ntlworld.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Right update time, I have had the battery tested and it failed! The
>alternator is ok putting out 14.4v so this afternoon I am off back to a
>certain chainstore which shall remain nameless, and which I will certainly
>never go to again. This will be the 4th item returned! Guess the store,
>think of a murderous sci-fi computer and then add the name of an American
>car manufacturer, who stole LR, in my opinion anyway.
>


hehehehe

whereabouts are you? If you have any tractor or agricultural type places,
they generally have nice cheap big batteries.
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