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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
Dave P
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Another victim of early release

Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
stealing his Land Rover last year? Turns out the killer was released
after serving only half of his sentence for burgling from farms.

Why doesn't 3 years in prison mean 3 years in prison? In reality,
every sentence is half as long as the judge hands down, unless you are
really naughty when you are in there, it seems. Ten years for murder,
walk free in five. Can anyone with the appropriate knowledge explain
why this is so?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...969888,00.html

DaveP

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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Another victim of early release

In message <1136376427.411487.228230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
"Dave P" <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
> stealing his Land Rover last year? Turns out the killer was released
> after serving only half of his sentence for burgling from farms.
>
> Why doesn't 3 years in prison mean 3 years in prison? In reality,
> every sentence is half as long as the judge hands down, unless you are
> really naughty when you are in there, it seems. Ten years for murder,
> walk free in five. Can anyone with the appropriate knowledge explain
> why this is so?
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...969888,00.html
>
> DaveP
>


It's probably for two reasons - to encourage the offender to re-habilitate
and to make people behave in prison. In theory.

Being a cynic, I'd suggest that the legal profession can get more
money out of the system by spending more time in court while sentancing
is decided ;-)

Richard

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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Another victim of early release

Dave P <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
> stealing his Land Rover last year? ...


The point may be valid and even vaguely on-topic, but racism (hopefully
unintended) obscures the message.

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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Another victim of early release



William Tasso wrote:
>
> Dave P <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
> > stealing his Land Rover last year? ...

>
> The point may be valid and even vaguely on-topic, but racism (hopefully
> unintended) obscures the message.
>
> --
> William Tasso
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> 110 V8 (white) <<<<<<<<<< Yes it does ;-)


Being serious, what is a gyppo. Can't find it in the dictionary.
Kind regards,
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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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William Tasso wrote:
> Dave P <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
>> stealing his Land Rover last year? ...

>
>
> The point may be valid and even vaguely on-topic, but racism (hopefully
> unintended) obscures the message.
>


Not sure of his actual ethnic roots, but I wasn't desperately surprised
to see that the thief hails from New Parks - an estate in Leicester
specialising in training jail scum.

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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Another victim of early release

William Tasso wrote:
> Dave P <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
>> stealing his Land Rover last year? ...

>
> The point may be valid and even vaguely on-topic, but racism (hopefully
> unintended) obscures the message.
>

If he'd said "Romany" then it might be racist. As it is, "Gyppo" covers
all other UK vagrants quite nicely.

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Old 01-04-2006, 07:01   #7 (permalink)
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> Being serious, what is a gyppo. Can't find it in the dictionary.
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.


Gyppo :- Take it if it's not yours and pay for nothing..
or
Gypoo:- Cr*p in public areas but don't wipe thier arses...
or
Gypee:- The relief when they have buggerd off to another town...

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Old 01-04-2006, 07:01   #8 (permalink)
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"Erik-Jan Geniets" <ej@fotograaf.com> wrote in message
news:43BBC4FC.7B21C5B7@fotograaf.com...
>
>
> William Tasso wrote:
>>
>> Dave P <davepseudonym@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo
>> > stealing his Land Rover last year? ...

>>
>> The point may be valid and even vaguely on-topic, but racism (hopefully
>> unintended) obscures the message.
>>
>> --
>> William Tasso
>>
>> 110 V8 (white) <<<<<<<<<< Yes it does ;-)

>
> Being serious, what is a gyppo. Can't find it in the dictionary.
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.


I assumed gypoo = gypsy = gipsy (latter is in dictionary)

Richard


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Old 01-04-2006, 09:01   #9 (permalink)
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Sorry William. I had no intention to offend or insult our genuine
Romany friends, who I am sure are all fine upstanding people who live
in brightly-coloured horse-drawn caravans and make a decent living out
of fortune-telling and selling scraps of heather. However, I am very
happy to insult and offend those (of any race or nationality) who
travel the country leaving unspeakable messes for the "settled
community" to clear up, disturb the communities that they leech on with
theft, burglary and intimidation, pay no taxes or contribute to society
in any way, but expect all the benefits society provides, like
schooling, healthcare and street lighting, pick and choose the laws
they obey (anti-discrimination - yes, planning and motoring law - no),
and have armies of sandal-wearing lentil-munching do-gooders to
represent their interests whenever they perceive any discrimination
against them. Where I come from, they are called "gyppos", I suppose
because of the wholly undeserved reputation of some Gypsies for being
light-fingered, dishonest rogues. Otherwise "travellers", "pikeys"
etc. I meant these gyppos, not Gypsies. I used the term inaccurately
as a general-purpose insult, for which I apologise. In fact, it seems
that the two offenders in this case were merely "chavs". Are we
allowed to say that?

And it was bang on-topic because the guy died trying to stop someone
stealing his Land Rover. As in alt.fan.landrover.

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Old 01-04-2006, 11:02   #10 (permalink)
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Dave P wrote:

> Sorry William. I had no intention to offend or insult our genuine
> Romany friends, who I am sure are all fine upstanding people who live
> in brightly-coloured horse-drawn caravans and make a decent living out
> of fortune-telling and selling scraps of heather. However, I am very
> happy to insult and offend those (of any race or nationality) who
> travel the country leaving unspeakable messes for the "settled
> community" to clear up, disturb the communities that they leech on with
> theft, burglary and intimidation, pay no taxes or contribute to society
> in any way, but expect all the benefits society provides, like
> schooling, healthcare and street lighting, pick and choose the laws
> they obey (anti-discrimination - yes, planning and motoring law - no),
> and have armies of sandal-wearing lentil-munching do-gooders to
> represent their interests whenever they perceive any discrimination
> against them. Where I come from, they are called "gyppos", I suppose
> because of the wholly undeserved reputation of some Gypsies for being
> light-fingered, dishonest rogues. Otherwise "travellers", "pikeys"
> etc. I meant these gyppos, not Gypsies. I used the term inaccurately
> as a general-purpose insult, for which I apologise. In fact, it seems
> that the two offenders in this case were merely "chavs". Are we
> allowed to say that?
>
> And it was bang on-topic because the guy died trying to stop someone
> stealing his Land Rover. As in alt.fan.landrover.
>

The Gypsy communities are not the problem. They get most of the blame
and link by the Irish Tinkers or Travellers. As with the law or justice.
The judge works with a tariff that is set by Law lords and by Government.
The same people new labour.
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