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Old 01-13-2006, 13:02   #1 (permalink)
Andrew Mawson
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Biodiesel ?

Anyone on the newsgroup using biodiesel - commercial or home brewed?
If so I'd be interested in their experiences with this stuff. (or SVO
'straight vegetable oil')

AWEM


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Old 01-13-2006, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Biodiesel ?


"Andrew Mawson" <andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk> wrote in message
news:dq91jh$b3g$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Anyone on the newsgroup using biodiesel - commercial or home brewed?
> If so I'd be interested in their experiences with this stuff. (or SVO
> 'straight vegetable oil')
>
> AWEM
>
>


I am also interested in using it in a 200Tdi. Has anybody used any
particular type, straight or a blend??

Were any modifications done to the engine?

I am led to believe that with a hot engine it is ok but when cold the bio is
more viscus and some makes of pump cannot handle he increased pressure.

Any drect experiences would be welcome.

John


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Old 01-13-2006, 15:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Biodiesel ?

Persheen wrote:
> "Andrew Mawson" <andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:dq91jh$b3g$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> Anyone on the newsgroup using biodiesel - commercial or home brewed?
>> If so I'd be interested in their experiences with this stuff. (or SVO
>> 'straight vegetable oil')
>>
>> AWEM
>>
>>

>
> I am also interested in using it in a 200Tdi. Has anybody used any
> particular type, straight or a blend??
>
> Were any modifications done to the engine?
>
> I am led to believe that with a hot engine it is ok but when cold the bio is
> more viscus and some makes of pump cannot handle he increased pressure.
>
> Any drect experiences would be welcome.
>
> John


There is a big difference between bio-diesel and "home brewed" vegetable
oil.

AIUI bio-diesel is a manufactured product based on diesel fuel, but with
some form of processed vegetable oil added, and is compatible with a
standard diesel engine. Your home brewed chip fat is a different
story, and causes problems as described above.

I do understand that you can add chip fat to your tank of diesel if
you want, and that is the best way to do it - i.e. a mix of vegetable
oil and diesel in your tank, rather than just putting vegetable oil
in neat - even though in theory the diesel engine will run on pure
veg oil.

Have a search on the web, there are loads of websites holding info
on this subject.

Matt.
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Old 01-13-2006, 17:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Biodiesel ?

Andrew Mawson wrote:
> Anyone on the newsgroup using biodiesel - commercial or home brewed?
> If so I'd be interested in their experiences with this stuff. (or SVO
> 'straight vegetable oil')
>
> AWEM
>
>

I have converted a 110 CSW (19J engine) to run on SVO.

There have been several postings in the last 2-3 months on it.

Cheers

Peter
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Old 01-13-2006, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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On 2006-01-13, puffernutter <peter@nospampuffer-nutter.co.uk> wrote:

> There have been several postings in the last 2-3 months on it.


There are also many sites dedicated to it. I ran SVO straight from
the supermarket for a while, it was fine but the engine started to
chug a little as the weather got colder, so I fitted a heat exchanger
between the fuel filter and the filter holder plugged into the hot
water line to the cabin heater, that fixed it. I could still fill the
road with white smoke when starting in the morning but after a mile of
chugging with no power it picked up and ran perfectly. I didn't go
into full winter with that setup though and stopped doing it soon
afterwards as it wasn't worth the hassle.

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Old 01-14-2006, 10:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Biodiesel ?

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:12:33 -0000, Andrew Mawson
<andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk> wrote:

> Anyone on the newsgroup using biodiesel - commercial or home brewed?
> If so I'd be interested in their experiences with this stuff. (or SVO
> 'straight vegetable oil')


I'm getting a 110 next week (hurray!) and have also been wondering about
using Modified Waste Vegetable Oil (as opposed to Straight Vegetable Oil)
from these guys
http://www.bio-power.co.uk/index.htm

What bothers me is this: If, as they seem to claim, it's just as
efficient as diesel, and an effective lubricant, and environmentally OK,
and only 70p/litre, then why aren't (for example) all the taxi drivers in
town using it? They can't be unaware of it's existence, they would surely
be delighted to save money? So there must be a reason, and I'd love to
know what it is.

On a related issue, does anyone have any CO2 emissions figures for this
kind of fuel, other than the figures produced by the manufacturers
themselves?

cheers

Olly

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Old 01-14-2006, 14:01   #7 (permalink)
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:14:18 +0000 (UTC), Olly R wrote:

> On a related issue, does anyone have any CO2 emissions figures for
> this kind of fuel,


CO2 figures for a true bio, rather than fossil derived, fuel are not
particulary relevant. The CO2 released will have been absorbed from
the atmosphere fairly recently like last year when the plant was
growing.

The CO2 "problem" comes from the burning of fuels that were plants
millions of years ago and releasing vast quanties of CO2 that have
been locked up all those years.

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Old 01-14-2006, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
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> What bothers me is this: If, as they seem to claim, it's just as
> efficient as diesel, and an effective lubricant, and environmentally OK,
> and only 70p/litre, then why aren't (for example) all the taxi drivers in
> town using it? They can't be unaware of it's existence, they would surely
> be delighted to save money? So there must be a reason, and I'd love to
> know what it is.
>
>It's simply because there is no tax on it. Road diesel would be about 20p

per litre if it wasn't for the tax, making the Mazola very pricey indeed.
You can use it legally, but should declare it to HM Customs who will send
you a nice tax bill equivalent to about 70p per litre, making the true cost
of Mazola for road use about 7 quid a gallon. Ouch.
TonyB


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Old 01-14-2006, 14:01   #9 (permalink)
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:33:50 -0000, TonyB <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote:


>>
>> It's simply because there is no tax on it. Road diesel would be about
>> 20p

> per litre if it wasn't for the tax, making the Mazola very pricey indeed.
> You can use it legally, but should declare it to HM Customs who will send
> you a nice tax bill equivalent to about 70p per litre, making the true
> cost
> of Mazola for road use about 7 quid a gallon. Ouch.
> TonyB


As far as I understand it, the 70p/litre price I quoted does include 27p
or something that is added by the bio-power people and paid to HMRC before
you buy.
See http://www.bio-power.co.uk/products.htm#v100
70p/litre does include tax. So why aren't people using it?


Olly
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Old 01-14-2006, 15:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Biodiesel ?

On 2006-01-14, Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> wrote:

> The CO2 "problem" comes from the burning of fuels that were plants
> millions of years ago and releasing vast quanties of CO2 that have
> been locked up all those years.


The analogy I like to use (because most people don't seem to get it
otherwise) is that using fossil fuel is like getting your water by
carving chunks of polar ice-cap off instead of getting it from rivers
or rainwater. You're adding water that wouldn't otherwise be there,
rather than recycling it.

Bio-fuel is recycled carbon to most intents and purposes.

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