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Old 07-18-2005, 04:02   #1 (permalink)
Jon
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Defender 200tdi temp gauge

Hi all,

Im still puzzling over my temperature problems. I have asked a friend
if I can borrow his infrared temperature gauge/thermometer thingy so
that will give me the actual operating temperature.

What should it be? I know the stat is supposed to open at 88C, so Im
guessing a reading of 90C would be expected.

Further, I know that sender units are closely matched to their gauge
(thanks Nige). I have also seen a temperature gauge off another
Defender 200tdi but it is different to mine?!?

My gauge has 1 white bit covering 3/4 of the gauge, followed by a
small black bit and then the red section. The other gauge I have seen
has a small white strip about 2 needles wide to the left, then a big
black blit with a horizontal white line above it, then the red. Are
they both correct for a 200tdi??? Could mine be off a 300tdi?

My main reason for asking is that I have no glow plug light on the
dash either (not that that bothers me), so am wondering if its the
original dash and clocks?

Thanks
Jon
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Old 07-18-2005, 17:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

In message <0d0nd1dge34sebi2pp2j970uqvj5tsvujp@4ax.com>
Jon <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Im still puzzling over my temperature problems. I have asked a friend
> if I can borrow his infrared temperature gauge/thermometer thingy so
> that will give me the actual operating temperature.
>
> What should it be? I know the stat is supposed to open at 88C, so Im
> guessing a reading of 90C would be expected.
>
> Further, I know that sender units are closely matched to their gauge
> (thanks Nige). I have also seen a temperature gauge off another
> Defender 200tdi but it is different to mine?!?
>
> My gauge has 1 white bit covering 3/4 of the gauge, followed by a
> small black bit and then the red section. The other gauge I have seen
> has a small white strip about 2 needles wide to the left, then a big
> black blit with a horizontal white line above it, then the red. Are
> they both correct for a 200tdi??? Could mine be off a 300tdi?
>
> My main reason for asking is that I have no glow plug light on the
> dash either (not that that bothers me), so am wondering if its the
> original dash and clocks?
>
> Thanks
> Jon


There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.

Richard
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:03   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

First Prize would be to put a thermocouple in the top tank and measure the
actual water temp. I don't think the infra red widget will do much for you
as you will be looking at the block and not the water temp inside the head
and pipes.

If you were in South Africa near Durban I would be able to help you out,
however I fear that this is not the case.

Regards
Stephen


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Old 07-19-2005, 01:03   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

Thanks Stephen... Unfortunately it would be a long commute to Durban
for me... Yorkshire, UK.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:35:24 +0200, "Fanie" <fanie@checkitsystems.com>
wrote:

>First Prize would be to put a thermocouple in the top tank and measure the
>actual water temp. I don't think the infra red widget will do much for you
>as you will be looking at the block and not the water temp inside the head
>and pipes.
>
>If you were in South Africa near Durban I would be able to help you out,
>however I fear that this is not the case.
>
>Regards
>Stephen
>


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Old 07-19-2005, 01:03   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

Richard,
Even though they are all 12V, are they all "the same", barring the way
the cold, warm and hot bits are shown??

I am assuming that if there is only 1 sender unit for the Defender
200tdi and 6 gauges they will all be the same??

....basically any gauge from a Defender 200tdi will be OK??


>
>There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.
>
>Richard


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Old 07-19-2005, 11:03   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge


I am going to do one of these soon:

http://www.red-ibex.com/EGTgauge.htm


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Old 07-19-2005, 11:03   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

In message <db9pd19d0mk2u3brr0rn9oevftpksabfg7@4ax.com>
Jon <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Richard,
> Even though they are all 12V, are they all "the same", barring the way
> the cold, warm and hot bits are shown??
>
> I am assuming that if there is only 1 sender unit for the Defender
> 200tdi and 6 gauges they will all be the same??
>
> ...basically any gauge from a Defender 200tdi will be OK??
>


As far As I can tell there is only the one sender, and the
differences between the guages are cosmetic only. If you had
somehow got hold of a 6V guage it would, I think, read over
temperature all the time.

Richard

>
> >
> >There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.
> >
> >Richard

>


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Old 07-19-2005, 14:02   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

so Jon was, like...
> Richard,
> Even though they are all 12V, are they all "the same", barring the way
> the cold, warm and hot bits are shown??
>
> I am assuming that if there is only 1 sender unit for the Defender
> 200tdi and 6 gauges they will all be the same??
>
> ...basically any gauge from a Defender 200tdi will be OK??
>
>
>>
>> There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.
>>
>> Richard


When I put the V8 in the 2.5 diesel 90, I used the V8 temp sender as it was
already in place. I spent ages worrying that the V8 was running too hot
until I had a "duh" moment and swapped back the the 2.5 sender. Read as
normal after that. I don't know the details, but I assumed after this that
the senders and gauges are matched in some way.

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Old 07-19-2005, 16:02   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge

On or around Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:46:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<newsboy@nowhere.com> enlightened us thusly:

>so Jon was, like...
>> Richard,
>> Even though they are all 12V, are they all "the same", barring the way
>> the cold, warm and hot bits are shown??
>>
>> I am assuming that if there is only 1 sender unit for the Defender
>> 200tdi and 6 gauges they will all be the same??
>>
>> ...basically any gauge from a Defender 200tdi will be OK??
>>
>>
>>>
>>> There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.
>>>
>>> Richard

>
>When I put the V8 in the 2.5 diesel 90, I used the V8 temp sender as it was
>already in place. I spent ages worrying that the V8 was running too hot
>until I had a "duh" moment and swapped back the the 2.5 sender. Read as
>normal after that. I don't know the details, but I assumed after this that
>the senders and gauges are matched in some way.


they are. from the intermotor book:

all series: 52770
90/110 pre defender exc. V8: 52890
90/110 V8: 52930
D90/D110 2.3, 2.5, 2.5D: 52970
sundry Rangies: 52730

and a few others.

The book doesn't list electrical properties for 'em. sundry different
threads, though.

all those are 5/8" UNF, so the electrical properties must be what differs.


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Old 07-19-2005, 22:02   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Defender 200tdi temp gauge


"Richard Brookman" <newsboy@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3k5758Fsbhf2U1@individual.net...
> so Jon was, like...
>> Richard,
>> Even though they are all 12V, are they all "the same", barring the way
>> the cold, warm and hot bits are shown??
>>
>> I am assuming that if there is only 1 sender unit for the Defender
>> 200tdi and 6 gauges they will all be the same??
>>
>> ...basically any gauge from a Defender 200tdi will be OK??
>>
>>
>>>
>>> There are 6 possible temperature guages! However, they are all 12V.
>>>
>>> Richard

>
> When I put the V8 in the 2.5 diesel 90, I used the V8 temp sender as it
> was already in place. I spent ages worrying that the V8 was running too
> hot until I had a "duh" moment and swapped back the the 2.5 sender. Read
> as normal after that. I don't know the details, but I assumed after this
> that the senders and gauges are matched in some way.
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
> Disco 300 Tdi auto
> S2a 88" SW
> Tiggrr (V8 trialler)
>


Had exactly the same problem when the temp sender disintegrated when i did
my engine swap, replaced sender with a genuine LR V8 item but it read over
temperature (must be different ohms / celcius ratings between gauges &
senders). Replaced both sender & gauge with Durite units (needed a thread
adaptor for the sender) and ran my own wiring.. problem solved (peace of
mind too)

Tom
LR 90 4.6


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