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Old 12-12-2005, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Disco II...


Engine aside, what's the rest of the motor like to work on?

I've a liking for old-fashioned things that you can bodge with bits of wire
and string. But then again, it might be that disco IIs are in the bracket
that we want to look at for replacing the '95 one with a newer/lower mileage
model.

Disco I TDis only go up to about 98 or maybe early 99 anyway... so
increasingly, there will be fewer really tidy ones about.
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Old 12-12-2005, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Disco II...

Austin Shackles wrote:
> Engine aside, what's the rest of the motor like to work on?
>
> I've a liking for old-fashioned things that you can bodge with bits
> of wire and string. But then again, it might be that disco IIs are
> in the bracket that we want to look at for replacing the '95 one with
> a newer/lower mileage model.
>
> Disco I TDis only go up to about 98 or maybe early 99 anyway... so
> increasingly, there will be fewer really tidy ones about.


Think of it as a P38 with a nicer bum. it has a SERIOUS amount of the leccy stuff in it. Whilst my LSE
has the same amount, the D2 bits & bats are newer & MUCH more expensive.

Having said that, I would have one tomorrow! It's like anything, buy & it & love it or worry about it &
hate it.

Nige

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Old 12-12-2005, 18:01   #3 (permalink)
Dave Liquorice
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Re: Disco II...

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:26 -0000, Nige wrote:

> Think of it as a P38 with a nicer bum. it has a SERIOUS amount of
> the leccy stuff in it.


WHS! You can't open the sunroof without a computer checking that you
should be able to open the sunroof...

> Having said that, I would have one tomorrow! It's like anything, buy
> & it & love it or worry about it & hate it.


Or in my case buy it, love it, then worry about when it's next going
to go phut. Thought it was going to be this morning, amber ACE light
came on, but hasn't reappeared apart from the POST. I do wish it would
boing when it turns a warning lamp on, some are half hidden by the
steering wheel and difficult to see.

Instead I investigated why the headlamp power wash wasn't working.
Nice and simple, blown fuse but why has a 20A fuse blown? It all works
now and doesn't blow the fuse.

Curiously SWMBO'd Fiesta blew it's 20A washer fuse the other week.
These are the first automotive fuses I've had to replace for donkeys
years, they may even be *the* first.

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Old 12-13-2005, 04:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Disco II...

Dave Liquorice <new5pam@howhill.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:26 -0000, Nige wrote:
> Instead I investigated why the headlamp power wash wasn't working.
> Nice and simple, blown fuse but why has a 20A fuse blown? It all works
> now and doesn't blow the fuse.
>
> Curiously SWMBO'd Fiesta blew it's 20A washer fuse the other week.
> These are the first automotive fuses I've had to replace for donkeys
> years, they may even be *the* first.


Frozen water in the system at a guess.

Lee D


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Old 12-13-2005, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Re: Disco II...

On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:26 -0000, "Nige"
<nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> Engine aside, what's the rest of the motor like to work on?
>>
>> I've a liking for old-fashioned things that you can bodge with bits
>> of wire and string. But then again, it might be that disco IIs are
>> in the bracket that we want to look at for replacing the '95 one with
>> a newer/lower mileage model.
>>
>> Disco I TDis only go up to about 98 or maybe early 99 anyway... so
>> increasingly, there will be fewer really tidy ones about.

>
>Think of it as a P38 with a nicer bum. it has a SERIOUS amount of the leccy stuff in it. Whilst my LSE
>has the same amount, the D2 bits & bats are newer & MUCH more expensive.


Is it actually the same system as the P38? erm... lessee (dredges through
forgettory) GEMS? or is it an updated one?

I've no real objection to electronics (mostly, the electronics themselves
are reliable - it's the connections between 'em that tend to give trouble
IME.

The real problem I have is things that turn around a tell me "dealer only
servicing". Although I gather that more of the independents are getting
testbook and/or Rovacom to be able to work on these.

one thing about the TD5, for exmaple: it's said (by some) that it needs
checking and retuning every X miles, which can "only" be done on testbook.
Is this true, either about the necessity or the doing?
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
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Old 12-13-2005, 07:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Disco II...

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:35:54 -0000, Lee_D wrote:

>> Curiously SWMBO'd Fiesta blew it's 20A washer fuse the other week.

>
> Frozen water in the system at a guess.


I guess so as well but I've never had fuses blow before, presumably
due to and iced up and thus stalled motor. Bear in mind that the power
wash pump on the DII only runs for half a second under control of the
BCU not a human and it hasn't been that cold this year. Only a few
nights have got close to -5C, cold is -10...

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Old 12-13-2005, 07:01   #7 (permalink)
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"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
news:e5jtp1p7kc1ie48fjr2cjmug2eg3l4jc5o@4ax.com...
> On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:26 -0000, "Nige"
> <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>> Engine aside, what's the rest of the motor like to work on?


Pretty much the same as any other modern motor, the nuts and bolts are just
that, it's the electronics that can cause problems if and when they play up.
A lot of the trim etc is very similar if not identical to a 300 series
disco.

>>> I've a liking for old-fashioned things that you can bodge with bits
>>> of wire and string. But then again, it might be that disco IIs are
>>> in the bracket that we want to look at for replacing the '95 one with
>>> a newer/lower mileage model.
>>>
>>> Disco I TDis only go up to about 98 or maybe early 99 anyway... so
>>> increasingly, there will be fewer really tidy ones about.

>>
>>Think of it as a P38 with a nicer bum. it has a SERIOUS amount of the
>>leccy stuff in it. Whilst my LSE
>>has the same amount, the D2 bits & bats are newer & MUCH more expensive.

>
> Is it actually the same system as the P38? erm... lessee (dredges through
> forgettory) GEMS? or is it an updated one?


Nope, it's the later "Thor" inlet setup, cast iron exhaust manifolds and the
Bosch Motronic engine management system. The Motronic system is in many ways
very similar in architecture to the BMW V8 and V12 engines using it, very
reliable. Be warned though, if going the LPG route, it HAS to be SGI,
vapourmix will not work properly, and be careful installing the injectors as
the inlet manifold as you look down on it has the centre 2 cylinders crossed
side to side, important when working out the injector sequencing, or it'll
cause the ecu to chuck a teddy or 3.

> I've no real objection to electronics (mostly, the electronics themselves
> are reliable - it's the connections between 'em that tend to give trouble
> IME.
>
> The real problem I have is things that turn around a tell me "dealer only
> servicing". Although I gather that more of the independents are getting
> testbook and/or Rovacom to be able to work on these.


Only issues, same as any other newer vehicle, are that it needs to go on the
computer to diagnose a lot of the systems (rear air suspension, HDC, HVAC,
autobox, BCU etc etc) but the actual repairing can be done quite simply at
home once you know what has failed. Personally, I use Rovacom Lite, but only
because Autologic was way too expensive.

> one thing about the TD5, for exmaple: it's said (by some) that it needs
> checking and retuning every X miles, which can "only" be done on testbook.
> Is this true, either about the necessity or the doing?


Pass, never heard that one myself.

Badger.


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Old 12-13-2005, 10:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Disco II...

In message <e5jtp1p7kc1ie48fjr2cjmug2eg3l4jc5o@4ax.com>, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> writes
>>Think of it as a P38 with a nicer bum. it has a SERIOUS amount of the
>>leccy stuff in it. Whilst my LSE
>>has the same amount, the D2 bits & bats are newer & MUCH more expensive.




>one thing about the TD5, for exmaple: it's said (by some) that it needs
>checking and retuning every X miles, which can "only" be done on testbook.
>Is this true, either about the necessity or the doing?



It is no way as bad as a P38 for electrickery

There is always the odd lemon but most that I look after are pretty
good, A couple of expensive ACE repairs (only because the seal kits are
so expensive). Coolant leaks are common as are leaking SLS bags.

The drive train is as good as any LR and possibly better, the price of
genuine spares has come down a lot since the Disco 3 came out.


As for needing to be "re-tuned" utter bo****ks. But a good LR specific
diagnostic system can tell you lots about your car.

Personally I think the Disco II is one of the best vehicles Land Rover
have ever made. My favourite is the Td5 auto with 16" wheels and ACE.





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Old 12-13-2005, 12:01   #9 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Re: Disco II...

On or around Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<brianhatton@btinternet.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Nope, it's the later "Thor" inlet setup, cast iron exhaust manifolds and the
>Bosch Motronic engine management system. The Motronic system is in many ways
>very similar in architecture to the BMW V8 and V12 engines using it, very
>reliable. Be warned though, if going the LPG route, it HAS to be SGI,
>vapourmix will not work properly, and be careful installing the injectors as
>the inlet manifold as you look down on it has the centre 2 cylinders crossed
>side to side, important when working out the injector sequencing, or it'll
>cause the ecu to chuck a teddy or 3.


ah, not thinking V8 for this one. would be a TD5 if any.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
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On or around Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:34:49 +0000, Marc Draper
<marc@mdeng.demon.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>
>
>
>Go on Austin you know you should.


hehe. We'll see what come up when the money's available, which is probably
not 'til sometime late spring.

I'd not pass up a mint low mileage late 300 TDi though, if that's what came
up.
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