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Old 09-15-2005, 11:01   #1 (permalink)
datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk
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Forward facing rear seats for 90 - Baby Seat???

Hi all,

Does anyone know if -

a) You can fit rear, front facing seats in the back of a 90 which will
allow a child seat to be fitted? I spoke with Exmoor Trim this
afternoon and was told their seats are not suitable as the fold up in
the side - understandable. Does anyone do permanent fixture one?

b) If anyone does sell them - and someone has used them -do they seem
secure enough?

c) Is it best to put the car seat in the front passenger seat, using
the normal 3 point inertia belt? I'm a little uneasy about this mainly
due to my 18 month being in the front when he'd previously been in the
back of a Golf.


cheers
Gavin

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Old 09-15-2005, 14:01   #2 (permalink)
Nigel
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Re: Forward facing rear seats for 90 - Baby Seat???

datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if -
>
> a) You can fit rear, front facing seats in the back of a 90 which will
> allow a child seat to be fitted? I spoke with Exmoor Trim this
> afternoon and was told their seats are not suitable as the fold up in
> the side - understandable. Does anyone do permanent fixture one?


You can fix the seats by bolting them to the floor. The back and side leg
(both of which fold up) can be made stay out, they have little clamps which
would need a little extra to ensure they stayed secure.

>
> b) If anyone does sell them - and someone has used them -do they seem
> secure enough?


I got mine from Paddocks, they do seem to be strong enough.

>
> c) Is it best to put the car seat in the front passenger seat, using
> the normal 3 point inertia belt? I'm a little uneasy about this mainly
> due to my 18 month being in the front when he'd previously been in the
> back of a Golf.
>

I also bought some new 3 point inertia belts and they were easy to fit in
the back, I did add a bit of big angle iron to reinforce the top point and
floor mount.
>
> cheers
> Gavin


Too many journeys with the kids sat on the side seats and me having to brake
sharp made me fit the rear forward facing seats. You lose a bit of space in
the back as they take up some room when they are folded up. When they are
being used they take up a lot of room. Kids love them as they are high up
and they can see out of the front window and the sides. Some adults have
complained about being too high up. Just take them over a few speed bumps,
that shuts them up.

Nigel
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Old 09-15-2005, 15:02   #3 (permalink)
datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk
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Re: Forward facing rear seats for 90 - Baby Seat???

Nigel,

Any chance of a couple of pictures of your installation?

I can't find the seats on Paddocks site though - how long ago did you
fit them?

When I was spoken to by Exmoor they said their seats were not for child
seats due to way the side bar just rests on the floor....I'm wondering
if only bolting them is sufficent. Also concerned that the back of the
seat could fold in on the baby seat under a shunt.

cheers
Gavin

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Old 09-16-2005, 03:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Forward facing rear seats for 90 - Baby Seat???


<datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1126805276.668907.312690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if -
>
> a) You can fit rear, front facing seats in the back of a 90 which will
> allow a child seat to be fitted? I spoke with Exmoor Trim this
> afternoon and was told their seats are not suitable as the fold up in
> the side - understandable. Does anyone do permanent fixture one?
>
> b) If anyone does sell them - and someone has used them -do they seem
> secure enough?
>
> c) Is it best to put the car seat in the front passenger seat, using
> the normal 3 point inertia belt? I'm a little uneasy about this mainly
> due to my 18 month being in the front when he'd previously been in the
> back of a Golf.
>
>
> cheers
> Gavin
>


Be really sure that you know what you are doing with aftermarket
seats, just bolting them through the floor without attaching them
to something that wont let go in an accident. Same goes for seatbelts
and their anchorage points. The forces on seat mountings is very
high in an accident - I used to have some figures somewhere about
the weight of a 10kg in a 50kph full stop accident, but for the life
of me I cant find them now. It was something in the region of half
a tonne in force. No doubt someone can work that one out. I know
it convinced me that I would never allow anyone to carry a child
in my car in their arms or on their lap.



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Old 09-16-2005, 03:01   #5 (permalink)
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<datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nigel,
>
> Any chance of a couple of pictures of your installation?
>

Me too. Could you mail some to me as well please. I'm in the same situation
2 kids + only benchs in the back = unhappy wife.
Dad gets to motor on his own in peace and quiet errrrrrrrrr hang on what am
i talking about??
Seriously a few ideas would be good.
Thanks

Graeme



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Old 09-16-2005, 04:01   #6 (permalink)
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On 15 Sep 2005 10:27:56 -0700, datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone know if -
>
>a) You can fit rear, front facing seats in the back of a 90 which will
>allow a child seat to be fitted? I spoke with Exmoor Trim this
>afternoon and was told their seats are not suitable as the fold up in
>the side - understandable. Does anyone do permanent fixture one?
>
>b) If anyone does sell them - and someone has used them -do they seem
>secure enough?
>
>c) Is it best to put the car seat in the front passenger seat, using
>the normal 3 point inertia belt? I'm a little uneasy about this mainly
>due to my 18 month being in the front when he'd previously been in the
>back of a Golf.
>
>
>cheers
>Gavin


If I was going to carry my child in a Land Rover it would be

a) because there was no other option
b) in a centre seat position only

Side impact, roll-over and offset head-on protection is virtually
non-existent in 90. There is no major structure outside the main
rails, apart from the occasional outrigger. The oft-spouted nonsense
about them being the safest vehicle on the road is exactly that.

Precious cargo and all that...

If you do decide to do this, I would put the child in the front,
obviously rear-facing. I would also ask your Land Rover dealer if
they sell / recommend a seat that has been tested in that position.
You may also find that the seat belt is too short to wrap around the
seat - the seat we had in the Discovery was only just long enough. I
had to make a judgement between putting Charlotte in the centre with
only a lap belt or at the side with a full 3 point belt. In the end I
decided that the best position was in a Volvo...

flame suit at the ready....




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Old 09-16-2005, 05:01   #7 (permalink)
datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk
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Tim,

Thanks for the input - I'm all ears.

The main reason we are switching from the Golf is due the type of roads
my wife now spends 80% of her time on - namely country 'B' roads/Single
lane with passing points. She has nearly been wiped out twice now but
idiots going too fast for the road and conditions. Being unable to see
'over' the hedges and therefor to see what's coming up is the one of
the reason we felt a 90 would do the job.

My son is 19months old so his seat is forward facing. I've tried it in
the 90 and it fits as well as the Golf with no movement. Have'nt tried
the middle seat yet - that will be done tomorrow.

If we're still not convinced then I can see a 110 coming up...

cheers,
Gavin

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Old 09-16-2005, 08:01   #8 (permalink)
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On 16 Sep 2005 04:27:49 -0700, datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Tim,
>
>Thanks for the input - I'm all ears.
>
>The main reason we are switching from the Golf is due the type of roads
>my wife now spends 80% of her time on - namely country 'B' roads/Single
>lane with passing points. She has nearly been wiped out twice now but
>idiots going too fast for the road and conditions. Being unable to see
>'over' the hedges and therefor to see what's coming up is the one of
>the reason we felt a 90 would do the job.
>
>My son is 19months old so his seat is forward facing. I've tried it in
>the 90 and it fits as well as the Golf with no movement. Have'nt tried
>the middle seat yet - that will be done tomorrow.
>
>If we're still not convinced then I can see a 110 coming up...
>
>cheers,
>Gavin


I can't remember how old Charlotte was when she went forward facing.
From memory it's recommended that they weigh 15kg(?) before going
forward facing - something to do with development of neck muscles.
Babies have disproportionately large heads which can snap the spine in
a heavy collision. My only observation is that the lack of any
crumple zone will make this effect even worse. But if your lad is
anything like Charlotte he'd have been playing merry hell about
looking "the wrong way" from about a year old!

I hate to say it, but for this job I'd have chosen a Freelander or
even a Mitsubishi / Toyota / Nissan for preference. Much better
comfort and crash performance whilst retaining the high driving
position.

Fair to say though that not having a crash in a 90 is infinitely
better than having one in a Golf.


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Old 09-16-2005, 08:01   #9 (permalink)
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Tim Hobbs wrote:
> The oft-spouted nonsense
> about them being the safest vehicle on the road is exactly that.


Is it?

http://www.roadlincs.com/Content/Car/Docs/makemodel.pdf

Go to page 10. These are actual Govt statistics based on 4 years of
actual injury accidents, not some theoretical or lab-based NCAP tests.

You will see the Defender and Discovery get the lowest scores of all
vehicles, roughly three times better than a Volvo.

DaveP

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Old 09-16-2005, 10:01   #10 (permalink)
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datchworthdisco@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Nigel,
>
> Any chance of a couple of pictures of your installation?
>
> I can't find the seats on Paddocks site though - how long ago did you
> fit them?
>
> When I was spoken to by Exmoor they said their seats were not for
> child seats due to way the side bar just rests on the floor....I'm
> wondering if only bolting them is sufficent. Also concerned that the
> back of the seat could fold in on the baby seat under a shunt.
>
> cheers
> Gavin


www.paddockspares.com
Series section
Upholstery
about half way down the page

Can take some pics tomorrow, beer and curry time now.

Nigel

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