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Old 10-14-2005, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
Paul S. Brown
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Fuel Pump vs Timing

Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
reckon a problem with the pump.

Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
what a possible solution would be?

P.
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Old 10-14-2005, 12:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Fuel Pump vs Timing


> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.
>
> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
> what a possible solution would be?
>

What was the problem with the vehicle in the first place?


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Old 10-14-2005, 15:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Fuel Pump vs Timing

Paul S. Brown wrote:
> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.
>
> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
> what a possible solution would be?


A diesel will either not run or hardly run with the pump a tooth out so
I'm guessing that it was originally ok even if the marks appeared wrong.
This won't be the first set of incorrect pump timing marks I've seen.

Throw the belt on it as it originally was then time the pump properly -
if it can be timed to spec like this then I'd just reassemble and drive it.


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Old 10-14-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Fuel Pump vs Timing

On Friday 14 October 2005 16:24, Paul S. Brown(usenet060103@geekstuff.tv)
wrote in message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>

> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.


Yes, it's one tooth out from where it was. :-)

Did it run well enough before the spanner monkeys were let loose on it? If
so, get them to move the pump back to where it was.

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Old 10-14-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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> A diesel will either not run or hardly run with the pump a tooth out so
> I'm guessing that it was originally ok even if the marks appeared wrong.
> This won't be the first set of incorrect pump timing marks I've seen.


I'd agree with that. I had a cavalier that was aid to be out but one tooth
either way from where it should have been and it just about ran, sounded
like someone shaking bolts in an empty biscuit tin.
TonyB


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Old 10-15-2005, 03:01   #6 (permalink)
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In message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
<usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
>put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
>reckon a problem with the pump.
>
>Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>what a possible solution would be?
>
>P.



Are the people changing your belt LR specialists?

If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK after!

The pump timing is easy to set up if you have the right timing pins and
there should never be any doubt whether it is right or not.
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Old 10-15-2005, 04:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Fuel Pump vs Timing

SimonJ wrote:

>
>> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when
>> they put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start
>> - they reckon a problem with the pump.
>>
>> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>> what a possible solution would be?
>>

> What was the problem with the vehicle in the first place?


It was in for a timing belt replacement (162k - never had a belt in the
50k I've owned it - didn't feel like taking chances) and they called me
to say it was a tooth off on the timing.

However it wouldn't start when it was bang on on the timing and they
thought it was a pump fault that they couldn't touch.

P.
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Old 10-15-2005, 04:01   #8 (permalink)
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Marc Draper wrote:

> In message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
> <usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>>Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when
>>they put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start -
>>they reckon a problem with the pump.
>>
>>Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>>what a possible solution would be?
>>
>>P.

>
>
> Are the people changing your belt LR specialists?
>


Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.


> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
> after!


OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing levels of
black smoke and dropping power for a while which may actually have been
down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't been changed in a
long, long, long time.


P.
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Old 10-15-2005, 13:01   #9 (permalink)
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In message <2627789.DuiPim8Qex@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
<usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.
>
>
>> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
>> after!

>
>OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing levels of
>black smoke and dropping power for a while which may actually have been
>down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't been changed in a
>long, long, long time.



Well they should know what they are talking about.

a clogged fuel filter should not give you black smoke but an air filter
would.

I would guess that have offered to have your pump checked out by a
specialist?

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Old 10-16-2005, 14:02   #10 (permalink)
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Marc Draper wrote:
> In message <2627789.DuiPim8Qex@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
> <usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>> Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.
>>
>>
>>> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
>>> after!

>>
>> OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing
>> levels of black smoke and dropping power for a while which may
>> actually have been down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't
>> been changed in a long, long, long time.

>
>
> Well they should know what they are talking about.
>
> a clogged fuel filter should not give you black smoke but an air
> filter would.
>
> I would guess that have offered to have your pump checked out by a
> specialist?


Could it be possible that whoever fit the previos belt got it wrong and
adjusted the pump timing to compensate? I would check the adjustment slots
on the pump for marks

Icky


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