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Old 11-22-2005, 11:01   #1 (permalink)
Lee_D
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Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

Just used a composit valley gasket with a smidgen of hylomar around each
port.

Morph now refuses to fire up. ....H'mmmmm

Whats the verdict...who would / wouldneya use anything or just a bare
gasket?

Lee D


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Old 11-22-2005, 11:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

On or around Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:20:23 -0000, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Just used a composit valley gasket with a smidgen of hylomar around each
>port.
>
>Morph now refuses to fire up. ....H'mmmmm
>
>Whats the verdict...who would / wouldneya use anything or just a bare
>gasket?


wouldn't have bothered on a composite one, but I doubt that's yer problem,
TBH. You'd have to do something very odd to get no mixture into the
cylinders.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:30:30 +0000, Austin Shackles
> <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>>wouldn't have bothered on a composite one, but I doubt that's yer problem,

>
> Why not? The standard one will come with a guarantee to split along
> the middle seam within no time whatsoever...
>
>>TBH. You'd have to do something very odd to get no mixture into the
>>cylinders.

>
> Yep, take time, drink some tea, work it through bit by bit...


I was thinking of something a little stronger... flattened the battery now
so no choice.

He was spluttering very very occasionally, has a spark or at least HT going
down the leads.
I've left the carbs on the inlet so I know that they are sound as I remove
them as one lump.
Pump can be heard whiring in the tank and petrol can be smealt but thats as
far as I managed to get.
PITA that it's 6 miles away at the mo, hands are cut to bits.

On the bright side the oil pressure came up ok after swapping the oil cooler
pipes.. I had visions of fun there.

Is there anything more to fitting the lifters than soaking in oil and
inserting them?? I assume it's one size fits all?

I've a sinking feeling that I'm going to end up removing the valley gasket
and refitting it minus any surplus gunge.

Lee D


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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

On or around Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:43:20 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:30:30 +0000, Austin Shackles
><austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>>wouldn't have bothered on a composite one, but I doubt that's yer problem,

>
>Why not? The standard one will come with a guarantee to split along
>the middle seam within no time whatsoever...


I meant, I'd not have bothered with hylomar on a composite gasket. The
composite one I've seen was steel with a rubberoid stuff on each side, and
should seal OK.

Still doubt the sealing stuff per se is the problem. You've got to have a
*serious* manifold leak for it not to start at all.

Lifters... hmmm. If new ones, it might take rather a lot of cranking to
prime them, I spose.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

Lee_D wrote:

> Is there anything more to fitting the lifters than soaking in oil and
> inserting them?? I assume it's one size fits all?


Well, I'd have primed them before fitting them - by giving them the old
squash, let them expand, and repeat until they pump up solid (ie full of
oil) whilst they were soaking.

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #6 (permalink)
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Lee_D wrote:

> He was spluttering very very occasionally, has a spark or at least HT going
> down the leads.


Are you sure the HT leads are correctly fitted?

And the spark plugs didn't remain in the heads whilst they were being
fettled did they? If they did and they've had a dose of parts cleaner
they may be somewhat reluctant to actually produce a spark.


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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.


"EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lee_D wrote:
>
>> He was spluttering very very occasionally, has a spark or at least HT
>> going down the leads.

>
> Are you sure the HT leads are correctly fitted?


Yep nice sparkly expensive new ones (it ran before being pulled apart) with
numbers on em :0)

> And the spark plugs didn't remain in the heads whilst they were being
> fettled did they? If they did and they've had a dose of parts cleaner
> they may be somewhat reluctant to actually produce a spark.


Er'm ,...... yes.... I'd assumed that this had done them the world of good
given they looked like new. I'll have to remove them tomorrow anyway, I'll
no doubt give them a blast with the blow lamp should cure any after effects
shouldn't it? I need to check fuel is getting to them and could do with
removing the lot to crank the lump over to be sure the lifter are lifting.

Lee D



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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

Lee_D wrote:
> "EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dlvrsl$sm$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>Lee_D wrote:
>>
>>
>>>He was spluttering very very occasionally, has a spark or at least HT
>>>going down the leads.

>>
>>Are you sure the HT leads are correctly fitted?


>
>
> Yep nice sparkly expensive new ones (it ran before being pulled apart) with
> numbers on em :0)


And you've honestly remembered which number goes where? I've had a
sudden dose of brain fade and messed up V8 leads on a few occasions when
I've forgotten that different engine manufacturers number their
cylinders in different ways.
>
>
>>And the spark plugs didn't remain in the heads whilst they were being
>>fettled did they? If they did and they've had a dose of parts cleaner
>>they may be somewhat reluctant to actually produce a spark.

>
>
> Er'm ,...... yes.... I'd assumed that this had done them the world of good
> given they looked like new. I'll have to remove them tomorrow anyway, I'll
> no doubt give them a blast with the blow lamp should cure any after effects
> shouldn't it? I need to check fuel is getting to them and could do with
> removing the lot to crank the lump over to be sure the lifter are lifting.


Not all cleaning solvents have this effect - but some of them seem to
impregnate the ceramic bit with something conductive so the plug just
shorts rather than producing a spark in the gap. I guess the old
blowtorch trick will fix them - but I've never tried; for the price of
spark plugs I just replace them.

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Grrr...Valley Gasket to seal or not to seal.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:20:23 -0000, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:

>Just used a composit valley gasket with a smidgen of hylomar around each
>port.
>
>Morph now refuses to fire up. ....H'mmmmm
>
>Whats the verdict...who would / wouldneya use anything or just a bare
>gasket?


I dont see how you could have buggered something up by fitting a
gasket...

I'm now getting pretty good at troubleshooting cars that wont run
after i touch them

I generally do:
check for fuel
check for sparks
check that sparks and ignition related stuff is happening at the
correct time and in the right order (so HT check, dissy check and then
piston/crank/cam check)

I'm sure you will work it out eventually. it sometimes just needs a
nights rest and it'll kick in perfectly!

are you sure you havent just knocked the dissy about or something?


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Old 11-22-2005, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:52:24 +1300, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote:

>Lee_D wrote:
>> "EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dlvrsl$sm$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>>Lee_D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>He was spluttering very very occasionally, has a spark or at least HT
>>>>going down the leads.
>>>
>>>Are you sure the HT leads are correctly fitted?

>
>>
>>
>> Yep nice sparkly expensive new ones (it ran before being pulled apart) with
>> numbers on em :0)

>
>And you've honestly remembered which number goes where? I've had a
>sudden dose of brain fade and messed up V8 leads on a few occasions when
>I've forgotten that different engine manufacturers number their
>cylinders in different ways.


The HT lead diagram in my 101 repair manual is wrong too! You didnt
use one of them didya Lee?

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