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Old 10-05-2005, 12:02   #1 (permalink)
ehjones@gmail.com
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hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

So, I've got a 1972 series 3 88. I decide to rebuild with-
Shortened range rover chassis
Range rover axles
Coil suspension
Engine conversion of some sort.
Some panels replaced, some sourced from a 90 and modified to fit.
New bulkhead
etc
etc
Okay, a little low on detail but you get the general idea...


As I understand it the new vehicle would be required to pass the SVA
and given a Q plate? Although perhaps careful selection of parts may
enable the original range rover registration to be used? And the tax
exception status would be lost?

I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's
a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered
incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and
exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?

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Old 10-05-2005, 12:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

During stardate 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, ehjones@gmail.com uttered
the imortal words:

>I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's
>a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered
>incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and
>exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?


Yes , you just about hit the nail on the head. If it's got coils it's
highly unlikely to be a true tax exempt vehicle, unless it's an early
Rangie of course.

Lee D
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Old 10-05-2005, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

Hi,
I bought a replacement galvanised chassis for my '69 lightweight from
Designa. It was modified, before galvanizing, to take R/R axles and coils
etc.
They assured me it would still count towards the points as a new replacement
chassis, obviously dropping points on the suspension etc.
Can anybody confirm if this is correct?
Also to get the rest of the points, it will need a 2A engine and box. Do
these need to be the original ones, or just from the same period?

Cheers,

Tony.


"Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
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> During stardate 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, ehjones@gmail.com uttered
> the imortal words:
>
>>I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's
>>a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered
>>incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and
>>exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?

>
> Yes , you just about hit the nail on the head. If it's got coils it's
> highly unlikely to be a true tax exempt vehicle, unless it's an early
> Rangie of course.
>
> Lee D
> --
> www.lrproject.com
> '76 101 Camper
> '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
> '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
> '01 Laguna



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Old 10-05-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
Lyndon C
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

Have a look @ http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm for the official
Info


Lyndon


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Old 10-05-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
David G. Bell
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On Wednesday, in article
<NHV0f.73543$RW.65681@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
Tony@home.co.uk "Tony" wrote:

> Hi,
> I bought a replacement galvanised chassis for my '69 lightweight from
> Designa. It was modified, before galvanizing, to take R/R axles and coils
> etc.
> They assured me it would still count towards the points as a new replacement
> chassis, obviously dropping points on the suspension etc.
> Can anybody confirm if this is correct?
> Also to get the rest of the points, it will need a 2A engine and box. Do
> these need to be the original ones, or just from the same period?


I suspect Designa are wrong about the chassis, if the key phrase is
"manufacturer's original specification". My own understanding of the
system is that the points total is on a same-vehicle basis, with the
chassis as a specific exception.

I'm not sure what the situation might be if a vehicle has a replacement
engine a few years before a major rebuild. Would a one piece at a time
rebuild eventually trigger a Q-plate requirement?

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Old 10-06-2005, 01:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

In message <20051005.2233.105158snz@zhochaka.org.uk>
dbell@zhochaka.org.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:

> On Wednesday, in article
> <NHV0f.73543$RW.65681@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> Tony@home.co.uk "Tony" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I bought a replacement galvanised chassis for my '69 lightweight from
> > Designa. It was modified, before galvanizing, to take R/R axles and coils
> > etc.
> > They assured me it would still count towards the points as a new replacement
> > chassis, obviously dropping points on the suspension etc.
> > Can anybody confirm if this is correct?
> > Also to get the rest of the points, it will need a 2A engine and box. Do
> > these need to be the original ones, or just from the same period?

>
> I suspect Designa are wrong about the chassis, if the key phrase is
> "manufacturer's original specification". My own understanding of the
> system is that the points total is on a same-vehicle basis, with the
> chassis as a specific exception.
>
> I'm not sure what the situation might be if a vehicle has a replacement
> engine a few years before a major rebuild. Would a one piece at a time
> rebuild eventually trigger a Q-plate requirement?
>


You don't *score* points, you *retain* points.

The info is at:

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm

Richard
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:02   #7 (permalink)
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

On or around 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, ehjones@gmail.com enlightened us
thusly:

>So, I've got a 1972 series 3 88. I decide to rebuild with-
>Shortened range rover chassis
>Range rover axles
>Coil suspension
>Engine conversion of some sort.
>Some panels replaced, some sourced from a 90 and modified to fit.
>New bulkhead
>etc
>etc
>Okay, a little low on detail but you get the general idea...
>
>
>As I understand it the new vehicle would be required to pass the SVA
>and given a Q plate? Although perhaps careful selection of parts may
>enable the original range rover registration to be used? And the tax
>exception status would be lost?
>
>I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's
>a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered
>incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and
>exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?


Seen one for sale today: Series III, on an A-suffix number, "tax exempt".
Hmmm. A-suffix numbers are 1963, series III not built until 1971. Yeah,
right.

Most likely it's a ringer - possibly, it's a series III body on a 1963
chassis, which I imagine is possible - if you had a decent chassis and a
rotten SIII it would be an option.
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Old 10-06-2005, 13:01   #8 (permalink)
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"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:8b5f81b54d%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message <20051005.2233.105158snz@zhochaka.org.uk>
> dbell@zhochaka.org.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, in article
>> <NHV0f.73543$RW.65681@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Tony@home.co.uk "Tony" wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I bought a replacement galvanised chassis for my '69 lightweight
>> > from
>> > Designa. It was modified, before galvanizing, to take R/R axles and
>> > coils
>> > etc.
>> > They assured me it would still count towards the points as a new
>> > replacement
>> > chassis, obviously dropping points on the suspension etc.
>> > Can anybody confirm if this is correct?
>> > Also to get the rest of the points, it will need a 2A engine and box.
>> > Do
>> > these need to be the original ones, or just from the same period?

>>
>> I suspect Designa are wrong about the chassis, if the key phrase is
>> "manufacturer's original specification". My own understanding of the
>> system is that the points total is on a same-vehicle basis, with the
>> chassis as a specific exception.
>>
>> I'm not sure what the situation might be if a vehicle has a replacement
>> engine a few years before a major rebuild. Would a one piece at a time
>> rebuild eventually trigger a Q-plate requirement?
>>

>
> You don't *score* points, you *retain* points.


Hi,
I wasn't talking about building a new Lightweight from scratch, then
claiming it to be tax exempt. I have actualy got the original one, (rotting
slowly into my back garden).
Part of the trouble is that the engine was swapped for a V8 by a previous
owner.

When it looked like time to give up on the rotting chassis, it seemed like a
good time to change to coils/ disks etc.
Its starting to look like I may have to Q plate the new one, (if I ever get
it finished). Then start repairing the old one, rather than scrap the bits,
as intended.

There is still enough left of the first one to retain the identity, i.e.
chassis, steering, suspension, axles. I just dont want to be still
rebuilding it into my old age!

Are the DVLA saying that the use of a chassis other than a genuine Land
Rover replacement, such as Designa, Marsland or Richard's, will cause the
recieving vehicle to loose its identity?

Cheers folks,

Tony.



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Old 10-07-2005, 00:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: hypothetical series land rover rebuild and DVLA registration

>
> Are the DVLA saying that the use of a chassis other than a genuine Land Rover replacement, such as Designa,
> Marsland or Richard's, will cause the recieving vehicle to loose its identity?
>


Not if it's to the original specification

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Old 10-10-2005, 08:01   #10 (permalink)
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:08:27 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, ehjones@gmail.com enlightened us
>thusly:
>
>>So, I've got a 1972 series 3 88. I decide to rebuild with-
>>Shortened range rover chassis
>>Range rover axles
>>Coil suspension
>>Engine conversion of some sort.
>>Some panels replaced, some sourced from a 90 and modified to fit.
>>New bulkhead
>>etc
>>etc
>>Okay, a little low on detail but you get the general idea...
>>
>>
>>As I understand it the new vehicle would be required to pass the SVA
>>and given a Q plate? Although perhaps careful selection of parts may
>>enable the original range rover registration to be used? And the tax
>>exception status would be lost?
>>
>>I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's
>>a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered
>>incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and
>>exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?

>
>Seen one for sale today: Series III, on an A-suffix number, "tax exempt".
>Hmmm. A-suffix numbers are 1963, series III not built until 1971. Yeah,
>right.
>
>Most likely it's a ringer - possibly, it's a series III body on a 1963
>chassis, which I imagine is possible - if you had a decent chassis and a
>rotten SIII it would be an option.


Or just had new front wings - that's the most obvious thing to
distinguish a 2 and a 3. Front panel's different as well, but the S2
front panel is pretty hard to find, so again, it's a likely swap.

Could also be a '71-'73 Series 3, but with an older plate on it (less
likely)


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