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#1 ·
During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front puncture
and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
Thanks

Richard
 
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#2 ·
Richard wrote:

> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
> puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered
> me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a
> tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat
> m/t. Thanks
>


I've got tubes in tubeless tyres/tubed rims (Rangie Rostyles) and the one
problem I keep having is that the tubes pinhole around the circumference
because the tyres are somewhat rough (Marshalls). If you don't mind the
occasional slow then I suspect it's fine.

The one good thing I can think about this rig is that it lets you use a goo
can for emergency repair without fscking a £90 tyre - I've met people who
use the goo on first inflate with tubes and just leave it in.

P.
 
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#3 ·
In message <3viflvF161dtjU1@individual.net>, Paul S. Brown
<usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>Richard wrote:
>
>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
>> puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered
>> me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a
>> tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat
>> m/t. Thanks
>>

>
>I've got tubes in tubeless tyres/tubed rims (Rangie Rostyles) and the one
>problem I keep having is that the tubes pinhole around the circumference
>because the tyres are somewhat rough (Marshalls). If you don't mind the
>occasional slow then I suspect it's fine.
>
>The one good thing I can think about this rig is that it lets you use a goo
>can for emergency repair without fscking a £90 tyre - I've met people who
>use the goo on first inflate with tubes and just leave it in.
>
>P.

BFGs have a rib on the inside which I was told made them very unsuitable
for tubes.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
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#4 ·
"Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

puncture
> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>

Hi Richard,

Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
well be thath they are rougher inside.

Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find a
puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than tubeless.
You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company if
you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.

Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon as
I could.

Cheers!
Graham Carter.

--
Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
P.O. Box A1619
Avondale
Harare
Zimbabwe
Tel: +263 4 300082
Cell: +263 91 329310
Fax: +263 918 329310
email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
 
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#5 ·
"Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

> puncture
>> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
>> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
>> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>>

> Hi Richard,
>
> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
> well be thath they are rougher inside.
>
> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find
> a
> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than tubeless.
> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company
> if
> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>
> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
> nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon
> as
> I could.
>
> Cheers!
> Graham Carter.
>
> --
> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
> P.O. Box A1619
> Avondale
> Harare
> Zimbabwe
> Tel: +263 4 300082
> Cell: +263 91 329310
> Fax: +263 918 329310
> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>
>
>


I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the rims
I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He also said
at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre pressures more
successfully.

Stew.
--
1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
 
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#6 ·
I have four new tyres put on my rangie but they had problems with a valve on
one tyre so they(ATS) put a tube in it for me and they said its fine, they
are normally jobs worth down there so it must be ok I haven't had any
problems yet

Bren
RRC V8
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> "Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

>> puncture
>>> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
>>> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
>>> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>

>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.
>>
>> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find
>> a
>> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than
>> tubeless.
>> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company
>> if
>> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>>
>> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
>> nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon
>> as
>> I could.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Graham Carter.
>>
>> --
>> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
>> P.O. Box A1619
>> Avondale
>> Harare
>> Zimbabwe
>> Tel: +263 4 300082
>> Cell: +263 91 329310
>> Fax: +263 918 329310
>> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>>
>>
>>

>
> I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
> at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the
> rims I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He
> also said at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre
> pressures more successfully.
>
> Stew.
> --
> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
>
>
 
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#7 ·
I have four new tyres put on my rangie but they had problems with a valve on
one tyre so they(ATS) put a tube in it for me and they said its fine, they
are normally jobs worth down there so it must be ok I haven't had any
problems yet

Bren
RRC V8
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> "Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

>> puncture
>>> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
>>> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
>>> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>

>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.
>>
>> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find
>> a
>> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than
>> tubeless.
>> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company
>> if
>> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>>
>> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
>> nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon
>> as
>> I could.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Graham Carter.
>>
>> --
>> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
>> P.O. Box A1619
>> Avondale
>> Harare
>> Zimbabwe
>> Tel: +263 4 300082
>> Cell: +263 91 329310
>> Fax: +263 918 329310
>> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>>
>>
>>

>
> I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
> at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the
> rims I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He
> also said at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre
> pressures more successfully.
>
> Stew.
> --
> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
>
>
 
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#8 ·
I have four new tyres put on my rangie but they had problems with a valve on
one tyre so they(ATS) put a tube in it for me and they said its fine, they
are normally jobs worth down there so it must be ok I haven't had any
problems yet

Bren
RRC V8
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> "Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

>> puncture
>>> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
>>> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
>>> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>

>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.
>>
>> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find
>> a
>> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than
>> tubeless.
>> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company
>> if
>> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>>
>> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
>> nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon
>> as
>> I could.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Graham Carter.
>>
>> --
>> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
>> P.O. Box A1619
>> Avondale
>> Harare
>> Zimbabwe
>> Tel: +263 4 300082
>> Cell: +263 91 329310
>> Fax: +263 918 329310
>> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>>
>>
>>

>
> I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
> at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the
> rims I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He
> also said at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre
> pressures more successfully.
>
> Stew.
> --
> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
>
>
 
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#9 ·
Thanks all for your replies, not sure what to do. The tyres are WildCat EXT
from John Craddock. I only use them for off road so most of the use is slow
speed stuff. When using the 90 on road I swap the wheels over to BFG All
Terrain T/A's.
Richard



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> "Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front

>> puncture
>>> and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered me
>>> suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a tubeless
>>> wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat m/t.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>

>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.
>>
>> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you could find
>> a
>> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than
>> tubeless.
>> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance company
>> if
>> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>>
>> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but I was
>> nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new tyres as soon
>> as
>> I could.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Graham Carter.
>>
>> --
>> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
>> P.O. Box A1619
>> Avondale
>> Harare
>> Zimbabwe
>> Tel: +263 4 300082
>> Cell: +263 91 329310
>> Fax: +263 918 329310
>> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>>
>>
>>

>
> I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
> at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the
> rims I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He
> also said at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre
> pressures more successfully.
>
> Stew.
> --
> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
>
>
 
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#10 ·
In news:439492de$3_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
Brendan <townerboyNOSPAM@tiscali.co.uk> blithered:
> I have four new tyres put on my rangie but they had problems with a
> valve on one tyre so they(ATS) put a tube in it for me and they said
> its fine, they are normally jobs worth down there so it must be ok I
> haven't had any problems yet
>
> Bren
> RRC V8
> "90ninety" <spector_stew@yahoo.co.uk.no.spam.please> wrote in message
> news:dn1qla$9ja$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> "Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>> "Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
>>>> puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who
>>>> recovered me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put
>>>> tubes in a tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and
>>>> the tyres wild cat m/t. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why -
>>> could well be thath they are rougher inside.
>>>
>>> Whilst at low speeds you are probably fine, at high speeds you
>>> could find a
>>> puncture more likely, and tubes tend to blowout more easily than
>>> tubeless.
>>> You could find yourself in trouble with the law or your insurance
>>> company if
>>> you go against the tyre manufacturers recommendations.
>>>
>>> Here in Zimbabwe, I did run my Discovery like this for a while, but
>>> I was nervous of the effect of a high speed blowout, so I got new
>>> tyres as soon as
>>> I could.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Graham Carter.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
>>> P.O. Box A1619
>>> Avondale
>>> Harare
>>> Zimbabwe
>>> Tel: +263 4 300082
>>> Cell: +263 91 329310
>>> Fax: +263 918 329310
>>> email:gcarter(at)mweb(dot)co(dot)zw
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine
>> fitted at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use
>> tubes with the rims I had due to problems with sealing around the
>> edge of the rim. He also said at low, off-road speeds it would
>> enable me to use lower tyre pressures more successfully.
>>
>> Stew.
>> --
>> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
>> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
>> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.



Nasty stutter you got there Brendan!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!
 
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#11 ·
Paul S. Brown wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>
>>During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
>>puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered
>>me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a
>>tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat
>>m/t. Thanks


>
> I've got tubes in tubeless tyres/tubed rims (Rangie Rostyles) and the one
> problem I keep having is that the tubes pinhole around the circumference
> because the tyres are somewhat rough (Marshalls). If you don't mind the
> occasional slow then I suspect it's fine.
>
> The one good thing I can think about this rig is that it lets you use a goo
> can for emergency repair without fscking a £90 tyre - I've met people who
> use the goo on first inflate with tubes and just leave it in.
>
> P.


One thing that you must look out for is the metallised sticky labels on
the inside of BFG tyres - others may use them , too. If these labels are
not fully removed a wee hole in your tube is absolutely guaranteed in a
relatively short time.

Otherwise I've not found it to be an issue, just the usual trouble with
the occasional pin prick from dirt trapped between the tube and the
tyre. Could this be your problem, too?
 
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#12 ·
hugh wrote:

> In message <3viflvF161dtjU1@individual.net>, Paul S. Brown
> <usenet060103@geekstuff.tv> writes
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
>>> puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who
>>> recovered
>>> me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a
>>> tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat
>>> m/t. Thanks
>>>

>>
>> I've got tubes in tubeless tyres/tubed rims (Rangie Rostyles) and the one
>> problem I keep having is that the tubes pinhole around the circumference
>> because the tyres are somewhat rough (Marshalls). If you don't mind the
>> occasional slow then I suspect it's fine.
>>
>> The one good thing I can think about this rig is that it lets you use
>> a goo
>> can for emergency repair without fscking a £90 tyre - I've met people who
>> use the goo on first inflate with tubes and just leave it in.
>>
>> P.

>
> BFGs have a rib on the inside which I was told made them very unsuitable
> for tubes.


I've run about four sets of BFGs with tubes - no problem.
 
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#13 ·
hi richard.
i run tubes in mine, i have the rangie rostyle rims which wont take
tubeless tyres on theyre own anyway but i do fit tubeless tyres and
inner tubes on them , have been doing so for the last 20yrs at least .

they work ok but after a few months of driving on them youll probably
get punctures in each wheel one after the other .
its something ive come to live with but if you buy a handfull of tubes
and keep them handy somewhere you only need to take wheel and a new
tube to a tyre fitter and job is done for another few months .

it usually starts out as a slow puncture when the tube gets pinholed .

i have not found a tyre yet for mine that doesnt have the diagonal ribs
inside it , these are what rub against the tube and pinhole it .

i use remoulds a lot , ie kingpin mudtracker and colway c trax MT ,
these are ok with tubes inside but still have the ribs inside the tyres
..

the real problem lies in the cheap thin tubes you now buy , there
arent any decent thick tubes about now, it all seems to be made in far
east and the quality just isnt there anymore , hence why they chafe
easily ..

most agricultural people hold stocks of 7.50-16 tubes , which are what
i use .

there are anti puncture products you can buy which you put into the
tyre/tube before you pump it up .

you can get tubeless tyres repaired you know , find a tyre repairer ,
there is one just down the road from me and will repair almost anything
so long as wires arent cut in it ., he even does high performance tyre
repairs .
i live between swindon and oxford .
 
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#14 ·
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:42:21 -0000, "90ninety"
<spector_stew@yahoo.co.uk.no.spam.please> wrote:

>"Graham Carter" <grahamcarter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:dn1m3r$ili$1@domitilla.aioe.org...


>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.


The reason I was given is that they cannot properly dissipate heat in
tubeless tyres, I cannot see why as the construction looks similar so
flexing will not be a lot different.

>I'm running Bronco 'Grizzly Claws' the original LR rims. I had mine fitted
>at Bronco. The guy there said it was an advantage to use tubes with the rims
>I had due to problems with sealing around the edge of the rim. He also said
>at low, off-road speeds it would enable me to use lower tyre pressures more
>successfully.


This is right, an under inflated tubeless will pull off the rim and
let out all the remaining air on a steep downhill turn. OTOH it's
cheap enough to clean and put back on.


AJH
 
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#15 ·
Graham Carter wrote:

> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
> well be thath they are rougher inside.


I've just had a chat to the technical people at one of our tyre
suppliers. They have no issues with tubes being used in tubeless tyres,
and it is in fact necessary if you run a tubeless tyre on a rim that is
not designed to take a tubeless tyre.

Their concern is with the fitting of a tube to a punctured tubeless tyre
without repairing the hole - this allows water into the tyre where it
can damade the steel cords. So long as the hole is repaired properly
(ie as you would if continuing to use the tyre tubeless) there is no
problem with running tubes. There is also a (irrelevant to Landrover
owners) concern that the speed rating of high performance tyres drops
when fitted with a tube due to excessive heat build up, but this is only
an issue at tyres rated for >200kph.



--
EMB
 
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#16 ·
On or around Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:32:01 +1300, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com>
enlightened us thusly:

>Graham Carter wrote:
>
>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>> well be thath they are rougher inside.

>
>I've just had a chat to the technical people at one of our tyre
>suppliers. They have no issues with tubes being used in tubeless tyres,
>and it is in fact necessary if you run a tubeless tyre on a rim that is
>not designed to take a tubeless tyre.
>
>Their concern is with the fitting of a tube to a punctured tubeless tyre
>without repairing the hole - this allows water into the tyre where it
>can damade the steel cords. So long as the hole is repaired properly
>(ie as you would if continuing to use the tyre tubeless) there is no
>problem with running tubes. There is also a (irrelevant to Landrover
>owners) concern that the speed rating of high performance tyres drops
>when fitted with a tube due to excessive heat build up, but this is only
>an issue at tyres rated for >200kph.


That sounds altogether more credible.

Bought Avons for the disco, and they say "tubeless", but then they also say
"on tube-type rim, use inner tube" (duh..)

I thought originally the thing about "tubeless" tyres was that when they
first appeared, you have to have a tubeless tyre to fit it tubeless -
tube-type tyres don't have the appropriate rubber lip on the inner edge to
seal onto the rim reliably.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
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#17 ·
In message <sjmap15caonp0k3vvk41rb5175klfro9sv@4ax.com>, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> writes
>On or around Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:32:01 +1300, EMB <embtwo@gmail.com>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Graham Carter wrote:
>>
>>> Most tubeless tyres say specifically no tubes. I'm not sure why - could
>>> well be thath they are rougher inside.

>>
>>I've just had a chat to the technical people at one of our tyre
>>suppliers. They have no issues with tubes being used in tubeless tyres,
>>and it is in fact necessary if you run a tubeless tyre on a rim that is
>>not designed to take a tubeless tyre.
>>
>>Their concern is with the fitting of a tube to a punctured tubeless tyre
>>without repairing the hole - this allows water into the tyre where it
>>can damade the steel cords. So long as the hole is repaired properly
>>(ie as you would if continuing to use the tyre tubeless) there is no
>>problem with running tubes. There is also a (irrelevant to Landrover
>>owners) concern that the speed rating of high performance tyres drops
>>when fitted with a tube due to excessive heat build up, but this is only
>>an issue at tyres rated for >200kph.

>
>That sounds altogether more credible.
>
>Bought Avons for the disco, and they say "tubeless", but then they also say
>"on tube-type rim, use inner tube" (duh..)
>
>I thought originally the thing about "tubeless" tyres was that when they
>first appeared, you have to have a tubeless tyre to fit it tubeless -
>tube-type tyres don't have the appropriate rubber lip on the inner edge to
>seal onto the rim reliably.

I'm confused :(
--
hugh
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#18 ·
Hi Richard,

I believe tubes in tubeless tires are ok as long as you do not deflate your
tires because of ground circumstances. I used tubes in tubeless for the last
20.000 km without any problems. However I will have the tubes removed now
because I will travel into the Namib desert which involves tyre deflating.

Just my 2c

Uli



"Richard" <NO.SPAM@ATNO.SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
news:LzTkf.2779$iz3.122@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> During an excellent days off roading yesterday I suffered a front
> puncture and the tyre came half off the rim. One of the guys who recovered
> me suggested that I put inner tubes in. Is it ok to put tubes in a
> tubeless wheel/tyre. The wheels are steel 8 spoke and the tyres wild cat
> m/t.
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
 
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#19 ·
"Uli" <uli@iafrica.com> wrote

> I believe tubes in tubeless tires are ok as long as you do not deflate

your
> tires because of ground circumstances. I used tubes in tubeless for the

last
> 20.000 km without any problems. However I will have the tubes removed now
> because I will travel into the Namib desert which involves tyre deflating.



So why do Land Rover fit OEM tubeless tyre with inner tubes on steel wheels
marked as such?

Alan Morris
Td5 130
 
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#20 ·
Well, I've just pressure washed the wheel and found out why the tyre went
flat....the valve had got ripped out. The wheel is also scored around the
lip where the valve goes. Next question......I've seen some off road
vehicles with a little bit of steel tube welded around the valve, maybe
worth doing?

Richard


"Alan Morris" <news4x4alan@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:43964821$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> "Uli" <uli@iafrica.com> wrote
>
>> I believe tubes in tubeless tires are ok as long as you do not deflate

> your
>> tires because of ground circumstances. I used tubes in tubeless for the

> last
>> 20.000 km without any problems. However I will have the tubes removed now
>> because I will travel into the Namib desert which involves tyre
>> deflating.

>
>
> So why do Land Rover fit OEM tubeless tyre with inner tubes on steel
> wheels
> marked as such?
>
> Alan Morris
> Td5 130
>
>
 
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