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Old 08-05-2005, 08:02   #1 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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missing bit?


while changing the oil and filter on the SIII, I noted that in the bottom of
the oil filter housing was a spring. The only purpose I could see for this
is to press the filter element up against the mating flange at the top, and
indeed without something to do that, the oil can bypass the filter
altogether. However, for the spring to do that, there has to be a bit which
wasn't there, like a large flat washer, to fit over the bolt, between the
spring and the filter. I improvised it using a large washer from a damper
bush which happened to be lying around and was approximately the right size.

Anyone know what should be there, and whether you can get 'em? 'Twould be
nice sometime to put it right.

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Old 08-05-2005, 10:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: missing bit?

In message <p2u6f1pctognb4bt8dm2rn0jqqah21kmjc@4ax.com>
Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>
> while changing the oil and filter on the SIII, I noted that in the bottom of
> the oil filter housing was a spring. The only purpose I could see for this
> is to press the filter element up against the mating flange at the top, and
> indeed without something to do that, the oil can bypass the filter
> altogether. However, for the spring to do that, there has to be a bit which
> wasn't there, like a large flat washer, to fit over the bolt, between the
> spring and the filter. I improvised it using a large washer from a damper
> bush which happened to be lying around and was approximately the right size.
>
> Anyone know what should be there, and whether you can get 'em? 'Twould be
> nice sometime to put it right.
>


It looks like it was part of an assembly that includes the "bolt" and
filter bowl - may still be available from LR but is NLA from the
aftermarket people.

Richard
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Old 08-05-2005, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
Oily
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Re: missing bit?


"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:1357c5954d%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message <p2u6f1pctognb4bt8dm2rn0jqqah21kmjc@4ax.com>
> Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > while changing the oil and filter on the SIII, I noted that in the

bottom of
> > the oil filter housing was a spring. The only purpose I could see for

this
> > is to press the filter element up against the mating flange at the top,

and
> > indeed without something to do that, the oil can bypass the filter
> > altogether. However, for the spring to do that, there has to be a bit

which
> > wasn't there, like a large flat washer, to fit over the bolt, between

the
> > spring and the filter. I improvised it using a large washer from a

damper
> > bush which happened to be lying around and was approximately the right

size.
> >
> > Anyone know what should be there, and whether you can get 'em? 'Twould

be
> > nice sometime to put it right.
> >

>
> It looks like it was part of an assembly that includes the "bolt" and
> filter bowl - may still be available from LR but is NLA from the
> aftermarket people.
>
> Richard
>


I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll have
a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it should
only cost coppers to post.

Martin.


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Old 08-05-2005, 15:01   #4 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Re: missing bit?

On or around Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
<martin@nofritterswoodendgarage.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:


>I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll have
>a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it should
>only cost coppers to post.
>


I've bodged it for the moment, but it'd be nice to have the right bit. The
one I've fitted probably doesn't actually seal the bottom end of the filter,
but will at least mostly-seal it.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Chuck didn't reply, so George swung round in his saddle. He could just
see Chuck's face, a white oval turned toward the sky.
'Look,' whispered Chuck, and George lifted his eyes to heaven.
(There is always a last time for everything.)
Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out"
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Old 08-05-2005, 20:01   #5 (permalink)
JD
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Re: missing bit?

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
> <martin@nofritterswoodendgarage.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll
>>have a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it
>>should only cost coppers to post.
>>

>
> I've bodged it for the moment, but it'd be nice to have the right bit.
> The one I've fitted probably doesn't actually seal the bottom end of the
> filter, but will at least mostly-seal it.
>

The filter element should have a rubber bit that is a tight seal on the
shaft - the washer is just so the spring doesn't damage the seal.
JD
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Old 08-06-2005, 00:01   #6 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Re: missing bit?

On or around Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:39:20 +1000, JD <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
>> <martin@nofritterswoodendgarage.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll
>>>have a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it
>>>should only cost coppers to post.
>>>

>>
>> I've bodged it for the moment, but it'd be nice to have the right bit.
>> The one I've fitted probably doesn't actually seal the bottom end of the
>> filter, but will at least mostly-seal it.
>>

>The filter element should have a rubber bit that is a tight seal on the
>shaft - the washer is just so the spring doesn't damage the seal.


The filter itself is just a tubular thing, with paper/cardboard gaskets
around the hole each end. The obvious intention is that the missing bit
both holds the filter on and seals it at the bottom, and yes, in theory, it
should also seal around the bolt, I'd have thought.

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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
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Old 08-06-2005, 04:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: missing bit?

> >The filter element should have a rubber bit that is a tight seal on the
> >shaft - the washer is just so the spring doesn't damage the seal.

>
> The filter itself is just a tubular thing, with paper/cardboard gaskets
> around the hole each end. The obvious intention is that the missing bit
> both holds the filter on and seals it at the bottom, and yes, in theory,

it
> should also seal around the bolt, I'd have thought.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
> too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
> sighted, 20th July 1588


Not sure about the rubber *inside* the filter housing as the bit you're
missing is a tight fit on the bolt anyway, but yes I've got one, if you want
it e-mail me (leaving out the obvious of course) with an address.

Martin. (By the way, there's only one R in Armada) :-)


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Old 08-06-2005, 04:01   #8 (permalink)
JD
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Re: missing bit?

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:39:20 +1000, JD <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> On or around Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
>>> <martin@nofritterswoodendgarage.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll
>>>>have a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it
>>>>should only cost coppers to post.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've bodged it for the moment, but it'd be nice to have the right bit.
>>> The one I've fitted probably doesn't actually seal the bottom end of the
>>> filter, but will at least mostly-seal it.
>>>

>>The filter element should have a rubber bit that is a tight seal on the
>>shaft - the washer is just so the spring doesn't damage the seal.

>
> The filter itself is just a tubular thing, with paper/cardboard gaskets
> around the hole each end. The obvious intention is that the missing bit
> both holds the filter on and seals it at the bottom, and yes, in theory,
> it should also seal around the bolt, I'd have thought.
>

All the filter elements I have ever had seal round the bolt, but I suppose
it depends on the manufacturer. Its not like a fuel filter where the fluid
only goes through once and it is important that no sediment gets through,
so I suppose it doesn't matter too much.
JD
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Old 08-06-2005, 05:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: missing bit?

On Friday, in article
<hom7f1tmalptn09s3hhuf6p561v6s9ba49@4ax.com>
austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net "Austin Shackles" wrote:

> On or around Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
> <martin@nofritterswoodendgarage.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
> >I think I might have one of those kicking about somewhere Austin. I'll have
> >a look shortly and let you know if you don't get fixed up. If so it should
> >only cost coppers to post.
> >

>
> I've bodged it for the moment, but it'd be nice to have the right bit. The
> one I've fitted probably doesn't actually seal the bottom end of the filter,
> but will at least mostly-seal it.


You might find something in the classic car/classic tractor/classic
truck market. It wouldn't surprise me if the original Land Rover design
used a standard component.

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Old 08-27-2005, 04:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: missing bit?

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:35:37 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>
>while changing the oil and filter on the SIII, I noted that in the bottom of
>the oil filter housing was a spring. The only purpose I could see for this
>is to press the filter element up against the mating flange at the top, and
>indeed without something to do that, the oil can bypass the filter
>altogether. However, for the spring to do that, there has to be a bit which
>wasn't there, like a large flat washer, to fit over the bolt, between the
>spring and the filter. I improvised it using a large washer from a damper
>bush which happened to be lying around and was approximately the right size.
>
>Anyone know what should be there, and whether you can get 'em? 'Twould be
>nice sometime to put it right.



Hi Austin,

As previously mentioned there should be a large washer that locates
the spring and loads the filter onto the top seal in the housing.

This washer/spring assembly is part of the pressure relief system
should the filter become blocked - ie as filter blocks, pressure rises
and forces the filter or large washer off the seating and allows
unfiltered oil to the engine rather than no oil at all.

If you have had the washer missing ( usually stuck to the old filter
on removal and lost ) then the engine has been receiving unfiltered
oil since the filter was last changed.

Early Leyland A/ B series filter washers fit if you can find one on
the scrappy.

HTH

Lofty.
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