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Old 01-04-2006, 02:01   #1 (permalink)
Jeff
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MOTClass Problems

Has anyone come up with the definitive answer yet to the MOT problems
regarding the MOT class problems. I have a Defender that is coming up for
MOT soon and the Gross Weight is shown as 3050kg, it has side bench seats in
the rear, and no rear side windows.

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Jeff


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Old 01-04-2006, 06:01   #2 (permalink)
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send youre v5c log book off and change the revenue weight to 002950kg
[2950kg] as is listed for STATION WAGON in the landrover gb specs .

then it should come up on computer at MOT test station as that weight
and they will accept it as class 4 .

i think the class 4 test centre ramps are for up to 3000kg and thats
why there are problems with these "default" weights that the DVLA have
been placing on mostly ALL landrover documents whether they are 90 or
110 or whatever .

discovery logbooks dont seem to have the revenue weights on the
logbooks but landrovers do for some reason .
both my 90 logbooks have 3499kg revenue weights on them yet landrover
gb list the weights as being 2500kg maximum for 90s and 3050kg for 110
landrovers .

even some landrover logbooks dont have anything shown on the revenue
weight section .

must be a cock up by the DVLA but they arent seemingly interested in
sorting it out properly, yet all info is on theyre computer and could
be rewritten easily, except for fact iof the cost it will be to send
out new V5C logbooks to all landrover owners with correct info on .

best thing to do is for you to change the details yourself to 2950kg
and send logbook in for a new updated one .

i have sent mine in for the 90s and 2500kg changes but have not
received them back yet .

i cannot think for life of me that a 110 landy is over 3 ton , just
look at all those nissan and mitsubishi pickups going around that are
much bigger and surely go to normal garages for MOTs .

the revenue weight the DVLA is listing is the gross combined vehicle
and trailer TOWING WEIGHT that a landrover can tow up to and not the
weight of actual vehicle .

just fill in the log book and send it off, then see what occurs when
you go for test, if anything youll be under 3000kg on the computer and
they should then be given the ok to test youre landy .

its not that they cant do it, its just that the " COMPUTER SAYS NO " ,
just like on LITTLE BRITAIN on the tv .

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Old 01-04-2006, 07:01   #3 (permalink)
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> send youre v5c log book off and change the revenue weight to 002950kg
> [2950kg] as is listed for STATION WAGON in the landrover gb specs .


That wont work because the VIN plate shows 3050kg and the V5 has to agree.

>
> then it should come up on computer at MOT test station as that weight
> and they will accept it as class 4 .
>
> i think the class 4 test centre ramps are for up to 3000kg and thats
> why there are problems with these "default" weights that the DVLA have
> been placing on mostly ALL landrover documents whether they are 90 or
> 110 or whatever .


I don't think that is the problem, because the 3000kg value is a max LOADED
weight, not unladen.

>
> discovery logbooks dont seem to have the revenue weights on the
> logbooks but landrovers do for some reason .
> both my 90 logbooks have 3499kg revenue weights on them yet landrover
> gb list the weights as being 2500kg maximum for 90s and 3050kg for 110
> landrovers .


That seems to be a DVLA cock up, 3500kg is the limit for a PLG.

>
> even some landrover logbooks dont have anything shown on the revenue
> weight section .
>
> must be a cock up by the DVLA but they arent seemingly interested in
> sorting it out properly, yet all info is on theyre computer and could
> be rewritten easily, except for fact iof the cost it will be to send
> out new V5C logbooks to all landrover owners with correct info on .
>
> best thing to do is for you to change the details yourself to 2950kg
> and send logbook in for a new updated one .
>
> i have sent mine in for the 90s and 2500kg changes but have not
> received them back yet .
>
> i cannot think for life of me that a 110 landy is over 3 ton , just
> look at all those nissan and mitsubishi pickups going around that are
> much bigger and surely go to normal garages for MOTs .


That 3 ton is gross loaded weight not the unladen weight..

>
> the revenue weight the DVLA is listing is the gross combined vehicle
> and trailer TOWING WEIGHT that a landrover can tow up to and not the
> weight of actual vehicle .


No it isn't, the combined vehicle and trailer weight is 6550kg according to
my VIN plate


> just fill in the log book and send it off, then see what occurs when
> you go for test, if anything youll be under 3000kg on the computer and
> they should then be given the ok to test youre landy .
>
> its not that they cant do it, its just that the " COMPUTER SAYS NO " ,
> just like on LITTLE BRITAIN on the tv .
>


I think the problem is that if the computer says no then the system will not
allow them to issue an MOT.

Also changing the V5 to a figure that is different from the VIN plate will
cause a fail.

The answer seems to be that if the vehicle is between 3000 and 3500kg and
4wd then it can be considered a dual purpose vehicle and can be tested, as
long as its Unladen Weight is less than 2040kg. Unfortunately none of the
documentation seems to carry the unladen weight.

Regards
Jeff



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Old 01-04-2006, 07:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: MOTClass Problems

On or around 4 Jan 2006 05:56:42 -0800, "m0bcg"
<almacottage@btopenworld.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>discovery logbooks dont seem to have the revenue weights on the
>logbooks but landrovers do for some reason .
> both my 90 logbooks have 3499kg revenue weights on them yet landrover
>gb list the weights as being 2500kg maximum for 90s and 3050kg for 110
>landrovers .
>


the SIII has "1511Kg unladen"
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
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Old 01-04-2006, 09:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: MOTClass Problems

resume that if the V5C has a blank for revenue rate, then the computer must
have a blank. If that info was not provided on the original logbook (I am
talking the old cardboard thing here) I guess they have no right to enter
anything without finding out first from landrovers own records.

I am sending my V5C back at the moment to tell them I have changed the
engine number, but I am not telling them anything else such as the current
number of seats since the original number was never listed either.

Revenue weight I presume is something that was introduced later than 1973.
Anyway since I take it back to the dealers each year to have the MOT sorted
out, I presume they would be on top of the problem with dozens of the things
to MOT on a regular basis.


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"m0bcg" <almacottage@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> send youre v5c log book off and change the revenue weight to 002950kg
> [2950kg] as is listed for STATION WAGON in the landrover gb specs .
>
> then it should come up on computer at MOT test station as that weight
> and they will accept it as class 4 .
>
> i think the class 4 test centre ramps are for up to 3000kg and thats
> why there are problems with these "default" weights that the DVLA have
> been placing on mostly ALL landrover documents whether they are 90 or
> 110 or whatever .
>
> discovery logbooks dont seem to have the revenue weights on the
> logbooks but landrovers do for some reason .
> both my 90 logbooks have 3499kg revenue weights on them yet landrover
> gb list the weights as being 2500kg maximum for 90s and 3050kg for 110
> landrovers .
>
> even some landrover logbooks dont have anything shown on the revenue
> weight section .
>
> must be a cock up by the DVLA but they arent seemingly interested in
> sorting it out properly, yet all info is on theyre computer and could
> be rewritten easily, except for fact iof the cost it will be to send
> out new V5C logbooks to all landrover owners with correct info on .
>
> best thing to do is for you to change the details yourself to 2950kg
> and send logbook in for a new updated one .
>
> i have sent mine in for the 90s and 2500kg changes but have not
> received them back yet .
>
> i cannot think for life of me that a 110 landy is over 3 ton , just
> look at all those nissan and mitsubishi pickups going around that are
> much bigger and surely go to normal garages for MOTs .
>
> the revenue weight the DVLA is listing is the gross combined vehicle
> and trailer TOWING WEIGHT that a landrover can tow up to and not the
> weight of actual vehicle .
>
> just fill in the log book and send it off, then see what occurs when
> you go for test, if anything youll be under 3000kg on the computer and
> they should then be given the ok to test youre landy .
>
> its not that they cant do it, its just that the " COMPUTER SAYS NO " ,
> just like on LITTLE BRITAIN on the tv .
>



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Old 01-04-2006, 09:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: MOTClass Problems

Had my 1983 110 CSW MOT'd in late Dec with no problems on the new computer
system, mind you there is no Revenue weight shown on the V5.

Regards

Neil


"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
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> On or around 4 Jan 2006 05:56:42 -0800, "m0bcg"
> <almacottage@btopenworld.com> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>discovery logbooks dont seem to have the revenue weights on the
>>logbooks but landrovers do for some reason .
>> both my 90 logbooks have 3499kg revenue weights on them yet landrover
>>gb list the weights as being 2500kg maximum for 90s and 3050kg for 110
>>landrovers .
>>

>
> the SIII has "1511Kg unladen"
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
> face by frightening people in the street.
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.



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Old 01-04-2006, 10:02   #7 (permalink)
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"Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.cwm> wrote in message
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> resume that if the V5C has a blank for revenue rate, then the computer

must
> have a blank. If that info was not provided on the original logbook (I am
> talking the old cardboard thing here) I guess they have no right to enter
> anything without finding out first from landrovers own records.
>
> I am sending my V5C back at the moment to tell them I have changed the
> engine number, but I am not telling them anything else such as the current
> number of seats since the original number was never listed either.
>
> Revenue weight I presume is something that was introduced later than 1973.
> Anyway since I take it back to the dealers each year to have the MOT

sorted
> out, I presume they would be on top of the problem with dozens of the

things
> to MOT on a regular basis.
>
>
> --


I have no revenue weight on mine 1997, can only assume revenue weight
applies to commercial or non-Vat registered purchase ??


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Old 01-04-2006, 11:02   #8 (permalink)
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Re: MOTClass Problems

I would hope in that instance then that you never experience this MOT
problem as indeed I hope I do not either.

Sometimes I wonder though if you drove something officially scrapped, with
no plates, tax, MOT or nothing you would not be bothered in the future
because officially it would not exist at all.

Put it this way if plate recognition becomes the standard for identifying
tax, insurance and MOT defaulters, how are all those systems going to cope
with the total non existance of that which they depend upon for there
triggering of action.

If society becomes so reliant on robocops one supposes that the real time
equivalent will no longer bother to pull you up if they can't read see your
plates because that is no longer there job.

I am sorely tempted to take of or obscure my front plate as an experiment
and see if anyone notices or even cares. lets consider motorcycles that do
not even have to display a front plate any more how catch them ?



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> "Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.cwm> wrote in message
> news:dpgrlh$nok$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> I have no revenue weight on mine 1997, can only assume revenue weight
> applies to commercial or non-Vat registered purchase ??
>
>



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Old 01-04-2006, 12:01   #9 (permalink)
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I also wonder if plate recognition is as good with the old white on black
plates, put it another way it may not be legal for me to fit such plates,
but if I bought a non dated registration legally , who would know the
difference anyway, what is a couple of years for a tired old series motor,
If I wanted to give it a series 2 face it would be no big deal to do that.

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> "Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.cwm> wrote in message
> news:dpgrlh$nok$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> I have no revenue weight on mine 1997, can only assume revenue weight
> applies to commercial or non-Vat registered purchase ??
>
>



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Old 01-04-2006, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
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>
> the SIII has "1511Kg unladen"


Is that on the V5c Austin?

Jeff


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