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Old 09-14-2005, 08:01   #1 (permalink)
Neil Brownlee
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MT's on new shape RR

Well....

I've gone and done it, cost me a fair amout (more than first Landy!) - but I
now have a set of 255/55/19 MT/R's on Owl. Pics are ... um... here....

http://members.mud-club.com/profiles...llery/NewTyres

I think I need to have a lie down now ..... and possibly think about selling
Piglet :(

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Old 09-14-2005, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: MT's on new shape RR

Why?
It's not like your going to build up owl to the same extent as Piglet.
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"Neil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> wrote in message
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> Well....
>
> I've gone and done it, cost me a fair amout (more than first Landy!) - but
> I
> now have a set of 255/55/19 MT/R's on Owl. Pics are ... um... here....
>
> http://members.mud-club.com/profiles...llery/NewTyres
>
> I think I need to have a lie down now ..... and possibly think about
> selling
> Piglet :(
>
> --
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>



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Old 09-14-2005, 13:01   #3 (permalink)
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S> Why?
S> It's not like your going to build up owl to the same extent as Piglet.
S> S

Erm.....well, we're off to the Belgium Nationals in him tomorrow....and
being me, I do intend to make Owl look nothing like all thise "bling" new
shape RR's on the road....he is going to be used properly. Some things Owl
simply doesn't need (like the tru-tracs), and other things are not available
yet, so I guess this is where I get to become an innovator again ;-)

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Old 09-15-2005, 02:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Neffalump" <noway@all.com> wrote in message
news:dg9tbv$flk$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> S> Why?
> S> It's not like your going to build up owl to the same extent as Piglet.
> S> S
>
> Erm.....well, we're off to the Belgium Nationals in him tomorrow....and
> being me, I do intend to make Owl look nothing like all thise "bling" new
> shape RR's on the road....he is going to be used properly. Some things Owl
> simply doesn't need (like the tru-tracs), and other things are not
> available yet, so I guess this is where I get to become an innovator again
> ;-)
>


Be careful. Your road stopping distance will be vastly increased by those
tyres at normal road speeds in an emergency stop.
If you want real street cred then put a few dents in it like mine has. It
matters not if your wife puts them there while parking ;-(

Huw


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Old 09-15-2005, 03:01   #5 (permalink)
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Hello, Huw!

Yeah, I am aware of running on muds - that's what the Disco has...I have to
radio the engine room before we brake :-)

Quite impressed with the MT's tho ... the MT/R is quite grippy and was the
only tyre that Piglet would pull up straight with when towing on an
emergency stop! Will report back on how different the traction is in the
slippy stuff....having tried to traverse Langley Farm on road tyres and not
being happy about the sideways movement :-)

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Old 09-15-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Neil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> wrote in message
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> Hello, Huw!
>
> Yeah, I am aware of running on muds - that's what the Disco has...I have
> to
> radio the engine room before we brake :-)
>
> Quite impressed with the MT's tho ... the MT/R is quite grippy and was the
> only tyre that Piglet would pull up straight with when towing on an
> emergency stop! Will report back on how different the traction is in the
> slippy stuff....having tried to traverse Langley Farm on road tyres and
> not
> being happy about the sideways movement :-)
>


I've had various mud tyres on the 110 used for work for many years but I
would not even consider putting them on the new RR for the very rare
occasion when they could provide a decisive advantage.
If you have been on the LR Driving Experience then you will have seen
standard shod Range Rover complete a difficult course, although in slightly
even more demanding conditions then MT's would, of course, be advantageous.
It is just a matter of degrees.

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Old 09-16-2005, 13:01   #7 (permalink)
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I've had various mud tyres on the 110 used for work for many years but I
> would not even consider putting them on the new RR for the very rare
> occasion when they could provide a decisive advantage.
> If you have been on the LR Driving Experience then you will have seen
> standard shod Range Rover complete a difficult course, although in
> slightly even more demanding conditions then MT's would, of course, be
> advantageous. It is just a matter of degrees.
>
> Huw


I think Neil is a bit further on from the Landrover experience, he likes his
mud and he's not afriad to put Land rovers through their paces. Something I
wish I had the balls to do with the more Shinney models in our fleet.
Rangies with all the anti lock Gizmos should still cope well under heavy
braking even with MT's on so I think it would be a totally different kettle
of fish to say driving a 110 with no such gizmos. I put Bronco Terminators
on my previous V8 Rangie and apart from the tyre tune (hum) never had any
issues with them. They are presently sat on Percy and the only time they
have squealed is the odd occasion Percy was parked for a few weeks, I'd junp
in and forget just how good the brakes were as my nose cleared the
condensation from the widscreen at the first junction :0)

I often read 101 owners moaning about bar slicks as they are called. I've
never once had my bar slicks give on me in Morph and I wouldn't like to be
strapped in to him doing any stunts that would generate such poor tyre
character traits.
I would guess the GS is again a different beast to the Ambi though.

People like Neil are a constant reminder to me that I could actually just
have a Volvo 4x4 for what I need from a 4x4 and should stop kidding myself.
I remain the romantic believing I'm living "One life" and await the next
natural diaster to come along so I can say "Told you so!" IYSWIM (Not
wishing any natural disasters on anyone or belittleing natures forces.).

I'll get me coat.......

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Old 09-16-2005, 13:01   #8 (permalink)
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"Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
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> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3ou3kvF7n7snU1@individual.net...
>> I've had various mud tyres on the 110 used for work for many years but I
>> would not even consider putting them on the new RR for the very rare
>> occasion when they could provide a decisive advantage.
>> If you have been on the LR Driving Experience then you will have seen
>> standard shod Range Rover complete a difficult course, although in
>> slightly even more demanding conditions then MT's would, of course, be
>> advantageous. It is just a matter of degrees.
>>
>> Huw

>
> I think Neil is a bit further on from the Landrover experience, he likes
> his mud and he's not afriad to put Land rovers through their paces.
> Something I wish I had the balls to do with the more Shinney models in our
> fleet.


I am a bit further on still because I have little urge to 'test' the vehicle
in mud. In fact, unless it is completely blocking my way, I avoid deep mud
and water like the plague.





> Rangies with all the anti lock Gizmos should still cope well under heavy
> braking even with MT's on so I think it would be a totally different
> kettle of fish to say driving a 110 with no such gizmos.


It is surprising how long the stopping distance is on a slippery surface
even with road tyres. The abs chatters away while the RR just keeps on
going.



I put Bronco Terminators
> on my previous V8 Rangie and apart from the tyre tune (hum) never had any
> issues with them. They are presently sat on Percy and the only time they
> have squealed is the odd occasion Percy was parked for a few weeks, I'd
> junp in and forget just how good the brakes were as my nose cleared the
> condensation from the widscreen at the first junction :0)
>
> I often read 101 owners moaning about bar slicks as they are called. I've
> never once had my bar slicks give on me in Morph and I wouldn't like to be
> strapped in to him doing any stunts that would generate such poor tyre
> character traits.
> I would guess the GS is again a different beast to the Ambi though.
>
> People like Neil are a constant reminder to me that I could actually just
> have a Volvo 4x4 for what I need from a 4x4 and should stop kidding
> myself.


Ground clearance and towing ability would rule that one out for me. Although
if I was honest, I could easily compromise as I have plenty of vehicles to
choose from.



> I remain the romantic believing I'm living "One life" and await the next
> natural diaster to come along so I can say "Told you so!" IYSWIM (Not
> wishing any natural disasters on anyone or belittleing natures forces.).
>
> I'll get me coat.......
>


Yes ISWYM. You may have to wait a long time. In fact I hope you will. But
you will have fun waiting.

Huw


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Old 09-17-2005, 02:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: MT's on new shape RR

On or around Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:11:17 +0100, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Rangies with all the anti lock Gizmos should still cope well under heavy
>braking even with MT's on so I think it would be a totally different kettle
>of fish to say driving a 110 with no such gizmos.


not entirely. ABS doesn't compensate for the lack of grip that such tyres
may afford in wet-road conditions - ABS is there to give you a better chance
of retaining control. If there's no grip, it'll not stop any faster and
under some specialised conditions it won't stop as well.
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Old 09-17-2005, 02:01   #10 (permalink)
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In message <ojjni1d1nqprdn4f5crr35al3nqf9i8oqn@4ax.com>
Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

> On or around Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:11:17 +0100, "Lee_D"
> <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Rangies with all the anti lock Gizmos should still cope well under heavy
> >braking even with MT's on so I think it would be a totally different kettle
> >of fish to say driving a 110 with no such gizmos.

>
> not entirely. ABS doesn't compensate for the lack of grip that such tyres
> may afford in wet-road conditions - ABS is there to give you a better chance
> of retaining control. If there's no grip, it'll not stop any faster and
> under some specialised conditions it won't stop as well.


Indeed - it seems to be forgotten that by definition if your ABS kicks
in then you have already "lost control" - at least one wheel is not
keeping up with the others.

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