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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #1 (permalink)
Grant Jump
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New Laws

In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
through "spray-on mud".
Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
live by Sept this year.
Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be 45.
Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
mins to perform test.
All details held on central database.
Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
your tax runs out.
Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
being the current certificate.
Anyone else any thoughts????


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #2 (permalink)
Larry
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Re: New Laws

I never do anyway, I get my MOT when it is due

in any case driving without an MOT certificate if it would pass one the next
time entered is less of a crime than driving around 11.9 months of the year
with something that would fail if it were tested on the spot.

As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
really think that:

a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data

b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's

putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
expect from the government,

Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
nicked the night before.


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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"Grant Jump" <gj001j3603@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gmpe.231639$Cq2.70716@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
> through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
> live by Sept this year.
> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be 45.
> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
> mins to perform test.
> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
> eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
> some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
> your tax runs out.
> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
> ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
> database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.
> Anyone else any thoughts????
>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #3 (permalink)
Colonel Tupperware
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Re: New Laws

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:28 +0100, "Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.com> TOP
POSTED:

>
>As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
>really think that:
>
>a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data


Of course. Its only a number relating to your vehicle on a database.

>
>b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
>any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's


I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
would not be surprised if it could.
>
>putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
>expect from the government,


I expect a Gubbermint to rule with compassion, honesty and common
sense. I never get what I expect.
>
>Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
>deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
>nicked the night before.


That presupposes that anybody from the local nick can be bothered to
do anything about it. They are far too busy doing really important
things, like err, well like, stuff, yaknow.

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #4 (permalink)
Tim Hobbs
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Re: New Laws

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:28 +0100, "Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.com>
wrote:

>I never do anyway, I get my MOT when it is due
>
>in any case driving without an MOT certificate if it would pass one the next
>time entered is less of a crime than driving around 11.9 months of the year
>with something that would fail if it were tested on the spot.
>
>As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
>really think that:
>
>a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data


Yes, kilobytes in some instances. However, much more likely to hold
just a relatively small number (e.g. the number plate) and look up the
rest in a database.

>
>b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
>any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's


Agreed - reflectance from the glass, physical obscuration and optical
resolution make this unlikely. Placement and orientation are not
issues - many readers now are actually digital cameras and select and
decode the barcode (or barcodes) in software.

>
>putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
>expect from the government,
>
>Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
>deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
>nicked the night before.


Quite. The technology already exists to look up insurance and MoT
status for a number plate (DVLA do it for their online tax disc
system, which is very good BTW). Doing a PNC for stolen vehicles also
makes sense - can be done at petrol stations, drive throughs, major
intersections and get the scumbags at every turn.


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #5 (permalink)
Richard
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Re: New Laws

Big Brother is watching !!!


"Grant Jump" <gj001j3603@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gmpe.231639$Cq2.70716@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
> through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
> live by Sept this year.
> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be 45.
> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
> mins to perform test.
> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
> eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
> some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
> your tax runs out.
> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
> ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
> database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.
> Anyone else any thoughts????
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #6 (permalink)
Andy.Smalley
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Re: New Laws

"Grant Jump" <gj001j3603@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gmpe.231639$Cq2.70716@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to live by Sept this year.


Tomorrow morning for us

> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be 45.


nothing to stop you just turning up and hoping for a slot like at present
Ours are 35 class 4, 45 class 7


> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45 mins to perform test.


As long as it take but at least 30 mins

> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will eventually hold all your details,
> presently as you drive on the motorway some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till your tax runs out.


but isn't that illegal and doesn't it void your insurance

> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite ride is due one shortly, like in a
> couple of months. Well the central database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.


No the computer will adjust to add on extra days or it will be done manually
if its the first computerised test

> Anyone else any thoughts????
>




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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #7 (permalink)
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Re: New Laws

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote:

>
> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
> would not be surprised if it could.


It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
expensive to have so many around).

Fred
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #8 (permalink)
p38arover
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Re: New Laws

Why read the bar code? Read the registration number. That's routinely done
in Australia by cameras mounted on overpasses to check long distance trucks
for spped and log book violations.

Ron


"Fred Labrosse" <ffl@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
> Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
>> would not be surprised if it could.

>
> It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
> expensive to have so many around).
>
> Fred



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #9 (permalink)
Office
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Re: New Laws

Hi All

Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book & Driver
Details from the Reg Plate
in the uk

Regards

Jb

"Big Brother Is Watching"

"p38arover" <beckettr@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Why read the bar code? Read the registration number. That's routinely
> done in Australia by cameras mounted on overpasses to check long distance
> trucks for spped and log book violations.
>
> Ron
>
>
> "Fred Labrosse" <ffl@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:20050608102437.14a43517@localhost...
>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
>> Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
>>> would not be surprised if it could.

>>
>> It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
>> expensive to have so many around).
>>
>> Fred

>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #10 (permalink)
Larry
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Re: New Laws

If you think about it, it saves the hassle of having to produce your
documents at a police station if you are stopped and don't happen to be
carrying them with you.

One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is concerned is
determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the legal owner and therefore
properly insured to drive it unless we all have the reg tatooed on our
foreheads too, nor can they tell if the car is a ringer or is carrying false
plates if the details roughly match.


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"Office" <office@ic24.net> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
> The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
> That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book &

Driver
> Details from the Reg Plate
> in the uk
>
> Regards
>
> Jb
>
> "Big Brother Is Watching"
>



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