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Old 10-31-2005, 14:01   #1 (permalink)
richard@binaryrefinery.com
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New Range Rover Questions

I'm looking at buying a 2003 Vogue TD6 Range Rover.

Dealer is asking for 34k with 33k on the clock.

Seems like a fair price?

Im upgrading from a 2.3 Ford Galaxy

Just wonder what people think a realistic running costs.

Is service charges going to kill me?

What are the gotcha's?

What happens if I need new tyres?

I'm moving up from a modest family run-about so some perspective from
others who have made the leap would really help me out.

Thanks Richard

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Old 10-31-2005, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
Huw
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<richard@binaryrefinery.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at buying a 2003 Vogue TD6 Range Rover.
>
> Dealer is asking for 34k with 33k on the clock.
>
> Seems like a fair price?


It is a fair saving over new I suppose.


>
> Im upgrading from a 2.3 Ford Galaxy
>
> Just wonder what people think a realistic running costs.


Well the fuel consumption is not bad. I get around 26 to 32 mpg from my
chipped engine. Your vehicle will still be under warranty for a while but I
would try for another years warranty in the price. Also make sure that any
modifications needed have been done.


>
> Is service charges going to kill me?


One service every 15000 miles is all it usually needs. Make sure that it has
had a service within the last 5000 miles and you should not need another for
another 10,000.
Services will be expensive at a main dealer but once it is out of warranty
any competent garage can do regular maintenance. There is less to do on
these than some superminis. Make sure synthetic oil meeting BMWLL01 is used
even though LR do not insist on it.


>
> What are the gotcha's?


Possible electrical gremlins and flat batteries unless the mods have been
done. The same problems afflicted the BMW X5 so there is nothing serious to
worry about. Some problems have been encountered with front prop shaft
couplings due to misalignment causing diff pinion shaft failure but these
should have been sorted under warranty.


>
> What happens if I need new tyres?


Visit ATS or similar and buy new ones.

>
> I'm moving up from a modest family run-about so some perspective from
> others who have made the leap would really help me out.
>


I think they are superb and my 20,000 mile example has had no problems.
None. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Huw
touching wood.



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Old 11-01-2005, 00:01   #3 (permalink)
Andy Sargeant
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Re: New Range Rover Questions

Nice to see you are one of the lucky ones with no problems, but when you do
you won't be touching wood you will be touching cloth ! ! ! !

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> <richard@binaryrefinery.com> wrote in message
> news:1130792069.228376.233310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm looking at buying a 2003 Vogue TD6 Range Rover.
> >
> > Dealer is asking for 34k with 33k on the clock.
> >
> > Seems like a fair price?

>
> It is a fair saving over new I suppose.
>
>
> >
> > Im upgrading from a 2.3 Ford Galaxy
> >
> > Just wonder what people think a realistic running costs.

>
> Well the fuel consumption is not bad. I get around 26 to 32 mpg from my
> chipped engine. Your vehicle will still be under warranty for a while but

I
> would try for another years warranty in the price. Also make sure that any
> modifications needed have been done.
>
>
> >
> > Is service charges going to kill me?

>
> One service every 15000 miles is all it usually needs. Make sure that it

has
> had a service within the last 5000 miles and you should not need another

for
> another 10,000.
> Services will be expensive at a main dealer but once it is out of warranty
> any competent garage can do regular maintenance. There is less to do on
> these than some superminis. Make sure synthetic oil meeting BMWLL01 is

used
> even though LR do not insist on it.
>
>
> >
> > What are the gotcha's?

>
> Possible electrical gremlins and flat batteries unless the mods have been
> done. The same problems afflicted the BMW X5 so there is nothing serious

to
> worry about. Some problems have been encountered with front prop shaft
> couplings due to misalignment causing diff pinion shaft failure but these
> should have been sorted under warranty.
>
>
> >
> > What happens if I need new tyres?

>
> Visit ATS or similar and buy new ones.
>
> >
> > I'm moving up from a modest family run-about so some perspective from
> > others who have made the leap would really help me out.
> >

>
> I think they are superb and my 20,000 mile example has had no problems.
> None. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.
>
> Huw
> touching wood.
>
>
>



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Old 11-01-2005, 04:01   #4 (permalink)
Huw
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"Andy Sargeant" <andy@ajstyres.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nice to see you are one of the lucky ones with no problems, but when you
> do
> you won't be touching wood you will be touching cloth ! ! ! !
>


Well I listed the most common faults and they are pretty well known to be
mostly in common with BMW X5's.
AFAICS it is an extremely well built vehicle that performs superbly. It is
just as good as my daily drive which is a Land Cruiser Amazon as you know.
That is high praise which is not given lightly.

Huw


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Old 11-01-2005, 04:01   #5 (permalink)
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I'll stand next to Huw on this one. Damned fine vehicle. Well screwed
together, and THOUGHT has gone into the design of a lot of it, i.e. the dash
is not anywhere like the bitch the P38a was to take apart, there's access to
a lot of the normal stuff you'd expect, and it's not all poxy plastic
clips.....

I was rather shocked to hear the new LR3 has, for one service, to have the
body removed from the chassis?!?! Much annoyance to the dealers who needed
new modified ramps....not sure that much thought went into that, unless of
course it was designed to maximise the wallet beating of the customer :(

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Old 11-01-2005, 04:01   #6 (permalink)
Huw
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"Neil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> wrote in message
>
> I was rather shocked to hear the new LR3 has, for one service, to have the
> body removed from the chassis?!?!


You can't be serious? Are you? Nah......surely not?
There must be more to that than meets the eye. For one thing it is a
monoqoque. Perhaps a subframe has to be removed for some reason?

Huw


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Old 11-01-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:23:31 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Neil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I was rather shocked to hear the new LR3 has, for one service, to have the
>> body removed from the chassis?!?!

>
>You can't be serious? Are you? Nah......surely not?
>There must be more to that than meets the eye. For one thing it is a
>monoqoque. Perhaps a subframe has to be removed for some reason?
>
>Huw
>


It's not really a monocoque in the usual sense. There is a 3 piece
welded bodyshell, mounted on a ladder frame chassis. That's why it
weighs as much as it does I suppose.

There can only be one sensible reason for a vehicle to have two
chassis , and that is that another vehicle is going to be built on the
same line, without a welded bodyshell....

Still, cannot imagine why you'd need to lift the body to do a service.




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'03 Volvo V70
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Old 11-01-2005, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
Huw
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"Tim Hobbs" <tim@spam.com> wrote
>
> It's not really a monocoque in the usual sense. There is a 3 piece
> welded bodyshell, mounted on a ladder frame chassis. That's why it
> weighs as much as it does I suppose.
>
> There can only be one sensible reason for a vehicle to have two
> chassis , and that is that another vehicle is going to be built on the
> same line, without a welded bodyshell....


Is the chassis rigid enough for this? I shall have to craul under one of
those new Discoverys to have a look at how they stick them together. Anyone
know of a web cutaway drawing or similar that will save my wife wearing the
washing machine out? She has enough dirty clothes to wash from the crawling
under the other cars in adoration.

>
> Still, cannot imagine why you'd need to lift the body to do a service.
>


Neither can I. The mind boggles. In fact I cannot believe it to be true.

Huw


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Old 11-01-2005, 18:01   #9 (permalink)
Dougal
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Huw wrote:
> "Tim Hobbs" <tim@spam.com> wrote
>
>>It's not really a monocoque in the usual sense. There is a 3 piece
>>welded bodyshell, mounted on a ladder frame chassis. That's why it
>>weighs as much as it does I suppose.
>>
>>There can only be one sensible reason for a vehicle to have two
>>chassis , and that is that another vehicle is going to be built on the
>>same line, without a welded bodyshell....

>
>
> Is the chassis rigid enough for this? I shall have to craul under one of
> those new Discoverys to have a look at how they stick them together. Anyone
> know of a web cutaway drawing or similar that will save my wife wearing the
> washing machine out? She has enough dirty clothes to wash from the crawling
> under the other cars in adoration.
>
>
>>Still, cannot imagine why you'd need to lift the body to do a service.
>>

>
>
> Neither can I. The mind boggles. In fact I cannot believe it to be true.
>
> Huw


A Land Rover project engineer is quoted, in an article in European
Automotive Design magazine - "We did this principally because we believe
this is the best solution for this type of product, but also because it
gives greater flexibility for platform development".

Huw - after the obvious deletions is your e-mail address good? I may be
able to send something.
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Old 11-01-2005, 18:01   #10 (permalink)
Huw
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"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote >
> A Land Rover project engineer is quoted, in an article in European
> Automotive Design magazine - "We did this principally because we believe
> this is the best solution for this type of product, but also because it
> gives greater flexibility for platform development".
>
> Huw - after the obvious deletions is your e-mail address good? I may be
> able to send something.


Yes. Thanks. Please do.

Huw


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