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Old 12-10-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
Andrew Renshaw
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Oil and HiCilone and K%Ne air filter

Hi all,

Was getting some oil in my local Motor Factors the other day and they
expressed surprise that I was using 10/40W in a Land Rover that is nearly 15
years old. he suggested I should be using 20/50W as otherwise I coudl be
burning oil.

Now the Motor has done 175000 miles 1991,. 2.5TDI, 110CSW. However, it uses
little if any oil between services, which I do at 4000 miles.

Is he talking sense or rubbbish?

The Defender returns on average 35 to the gallon and is fairly nippy.

I have fitted a K&N air filter and a Hi Cicllone (there was some discussion
a while ago) before fitting I was getting 32 to the gallon on average so
they have improved things by 3 m.p.g.

I also ought to mentiomn that I have slick 50'ed the engine. Which I am sure
has helped.

I also use Forte Advanced Engine Flush before every service. What surprises
me is that after doing 500 miles since the last service the oil is still
fairly clear.

So over to you.

Andy



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Old 12-11-2005, 01:01   #2 (permalink)
Pantelis Giamarellos
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Re: Oil and HiCilone and K%Ne air filter

Andy Hi,

I can also attest on the positive results using Slick 50 gives both on
petrol and diesel engines.
Some people may call it "snake oil" but what I know is that on every of my
previously or currently owned vehicles it has made the engine run more
sweetly and has also reduced fuel consumption. It has also assisted on
giving exceptionaly high mileage figures without engine wear. How about a
1.300 cc turbocharged FIAT with increased wastegate pressure to 1.3 bars
running for 120.000 km and still retaining the factory cylinder compression
on all four cylinders?

As for using 20/50 instead of 10/40 oil I think the later may offer a bit
more protection to your engine when cold but burn a bit more oil when hot.
I would keep the 10/40.

Take care
Pantelis


"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote in message
news:I5Lmf.3803$va6.2403@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Hi all,
>
> Was getting some oil in my local Motor Factors the other day and they
> expressed surprise that I was using 10/40W in a Land Rover that is nearly

15
> years old. he suggested I should be using 20/50W as otherwise I coudl be
> burning oil.
>
> Now the Motor has done 175000 miles 1991,. 2.5TDI, 110CSW. However, it

uses
> little if any oil between services, which I do at 4000 miles.
>
> Is he talking sense or rubbbish?
>
> The Defender returns on average 35 to the gallon and is fairly nippy.
>
> I have fitted a K&N air filter and a Hi Cicllone (there was some

discussion
> a while ago) before fitting I was getting 32 to the gallon on average so
> they have improved things by 3 m.p.g.
>
> I also ought to mentiomn that I have slick 50'ed the engine. Which I am

sure
> has helped.
>
> I also use Forte Advanced Engine Flush before every service. What

surprises
> me is that after doing 500 miles since the last service the oil is still
> fairly clear.
>
> So over to you.
>
> Andy
>
>
>



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Old 12-11-2005, 03:01   #3 (permalink)
McBad
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"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi all,

<SNIP>
> I have fitted a K&N air filter <SNIP>
> Andy
>


Hi, out of interest did fitting the K&N make any noticeable difference to
anything? 96 seems awful steep for an air filter element, but the
advertising blurb suggests they do release a couple of extra bhp. Do they
actually deliver, in the real world beyond the marketing department?

Thanks,

M


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Old 12-11-2005, 03:01   #4 (permalink)
Andrew Renshaw
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I would say that my Land Rover has much better acceleration now.

Andy

P.S. I got mine off e-bay for 70 (brand new)

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>
> "Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:I5Lmf.3803$va6.2403@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>> Hi all,

> <SNIP>
>> I have fitted a K&N air filter <SNIP>
>> Andy
>>

>
> Hi, out of interest did fitting the K&N make any noticeable difference to
> anything? 96 seems awful steep for an air filter element, but the
> advertising blurb suggests they do release a couple of extra bhp. Do they
> actually deliver, in the real world beyond the marketing department?
>
> Thanks,
>
> M
>
>



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Old 12-11-2005, 03:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I would say that my Land Rover has much better acceleration now.
>
> Andy
>
> P.S. I got mine off e-bay for 70 (brand new)
>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xd2dnQ5Q7cUDbgbenZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> >
> > "Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:I5Lmf.3803$va6.2403@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> >> Hi all,

> > <SNIP>
> >> I have fitted a K&N air filter <SNIP>
> >> Andy
> >>

> >
> > Hi, out of interest did fitting the K&N make any noticeable difference

to
> > anything? 96 seems awful steep for an air filter element, but the
> > advertising blurb suggests they do release a couple of extra bhp. Do

they
> > actually deliver, in the real world beyond the marketing department?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > M
> >
> >

>
>

Thanks Andrew, mega-swift reply! I'll add it to my Christmas list then.

Kind regards,

M


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Old 12-11-2005, 07:02   #6 (permalink)
Erik-Jan Geniets
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McBad wrote:
>
>
> Hi, out of interest did fitting the K&N make any noticeable difference to
> anything? 96 seems awful steep for an air filter element, but the
> advertising blurb suggests they do release a couple of extra bhp. Do they
> actually deliver, in the real world beyond the marketing department?
>


I did NOT notice any difference. I'll leave it in but......
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:01   #7 (permalink)
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In message <I5Lmf.3803$va6.2403@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>
"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew@preaching.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Was getting some oil in my local Motor Factors the other day and they
> expressed surprise that I was using 10/40W in a Land Rover that is nearly 15
> years old. he suggested I should be using 20/50W as otherwise I coudl be
> burning oil.
>
> Now the Motor has done 175000 miles 1991,. 2.5TDI, 110CSW. However, it uses
> little if any oil between services, which I do at 4000 miles.
>
> Is he talking sense or rubbbish?


Personally I started using Morris 20w/50 at 100,000, but not because it
"would burn oil" (I can't see that connection) but simply as it's a bit
thicker - purely a personal thing.

>
> The Defender returns on average 35 to the gallon and is fairly nippy.
>
> I have fitted a K&N air filter and a Hi Cicllone (there was some discussion
> a while ago) before fitting I was getting 32 to the gallon on average so
> they have improved things by 3 m.p.g.
>
> I also ought to mentiomn that I have slick 50'ed the engine. Which I am sure
> has helped.
>
> I also use Forte Advanced Engine Flush before every service. What surprises
> me is that after doing 500 miles since the last service the oil is still
> fairly clear.


Again personally, I use STP engine flush - not least as it's only 2.90
a can!

>
> So over to you.
>
> Andy
>
>


Richard

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Old 12-12-2005, 03:01   #8 (permalink)
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>to
>> > anything? 96 seems awful steep for an air filter element, but the
>> > advertising blurb suggests they do release a couple of extra bhp. Do

>they
>> > actually deliver, in the real world beyond the marketing department?

>>


I have read that the dust performance is not as good as original
equipment. I am sure this is not an issue for your average go faster
chav wagon, however for a typical landrover user this could be quite
an issue.

I use my disco a lot in coal mines and dusty areas and I just stick to
replacing the air, oil- filter, oil every 5000km and usually change
the fuel filter every 10000km.

I think this might be overkill but better safe than sorry, as my tdi
costs about ZAR30k to rebuild and filters are cheap.

As an aside, we are getting lower sulphur diesel (I think from about
500ppm to about 50ppm) from Jan 1st, so I was wondering if I should
try and push the oil change out to 7500km or keep it at 5000 as I do
now?

Regards
Stephen
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Old 12-12-2005, 07:01   #9 (permalink)
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On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:15:31 +0200, fanie
<fanie@checkitsystems.com> enlightened us thusly:

>As an aside, we are getting lower sulphur diesel (I think from about
>500ppm to about 50ppm) from Jan 1st, so I was wondering if I should
>try and push the oil change out to 7500km or keep it at 5000 as I do
>now?


When they introduced LS diesel here I reckoned that it didn't produce as
much power or as good economy...
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Old 12-12-2005, 13:01   #10 (permalink)
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Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:15:31 +0200, fanie
> <fanie@checkitsystems.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>As an aside, we are getting lower sulphur diesel (I think from about
>>500ppm to about 50ppm) from Jan 1st, so I was wondering if I should
>>try and push the oil change out to 7500km or keep it at 5000 as I do
>>now?

>
>
> When they introduced LS diesel here I reckoned that it didn't produce as
> much power or as good economy...


LS diesel is being introduced across the board here at the moment. For
the last few years both LS and HS have been available and I've found no
noticeable performance difference between them.

However, LS diesel tends to have a lower aromatic content which is
causing problems with VE/Zexel/Bosch rotary pumps - the lower aromatic
content is not having the effect of swelling the seals so the pumps are
leaking.

The other concern that was raised (and has been addressed in the NZ fuel
standards) is the lubricity of the LS diesel - the removal of the
sulphur reduces the lubricity of the fuel which leads to rapid injector
pump wear. Unless there is some government enforcement of a lubricity
standard I'd be running an additive to make sure you're not going to run
into this problem.


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