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Old 11-13-2005, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
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Oil types?

Hi guys
If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?

Thanks
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?

TonyB wrote:
> Hi guys
> If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
> can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?


The API Cx ratings are for diesel service, the Sx ratings are for petrol
service. So the API data you have given us is not particularly helpful.

The ACEA Ax is for petrol service, and the Bx is for light diesel
service. A B2 spec is the 'lowest' class of oil they rate, and a B3 spec
oil meets that standard as well as additional extended drain
requirements so should be fine.

What's the engine it's going in to, and what viscosity are you thinking
of using? This is also fairly important.


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Old 11-13-2005, 11:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?

On or around Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:43:16 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
<Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi guys
>If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
>can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?
>


yes.

although if it's a diesel it's the API C[] rating you should be looking at.
chances are an SJ is more than CE though, so to speak.

S for spark ignition, C for compression ignition, IIRC, and in general, the
further through the alphabet the better. SG was, for example, the point
where anti-sludging was added to the standard (again IIRC) and it's quite
tricky to get 20W50 grade oil that conforms to SG for to put in earlier V8s.
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Old 11-13-2005, 14:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?

>
> >Hi guys
> >If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
> >can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?
> >

>
> yes.
>
> although if it's a diesel it's the API C[] rating you should be looking

at.
> chances are an SJ is more than CE though, so to speak.
>
> S for spark ignition, C for compression ignition, IIRC, and in general,

the
> further through the alphabet the better. SG was, for example, the point
> where anti-sludging was added to the standard (again IIRC) and it's quite
> tricky to get 20W50 grade oil that conforms to SG for to put in earlier

V8s.
> --

Thanks Austin. This could be saving a lot of people a lot of money. The GTX
was about 15 quid, the diesel version by Esso was 24 quid.

BTW for other home mechanics, I'm using a Pela oil changer which is very
good. Cost about 20 quid from Ebay and has paid for itself already.

TonyB

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Old 11-13-2005, 14:01   #5 (permalink)
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"EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> TonyB wrote:
> > Hi guys
> > If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
> > can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?

>
> The API Cx ratings are for diesel service, the Sx ratings are for petrol
> service. So the API data you have given us is not particularly helpful.
>
> The ACEA Ax is for petrol service, and the Bx is for light diesel
> service. A B2 spec is the 'lowest' class of oil they rate, and a B3 spec
> oil meets that standard as well as additional extended drain
> requirements so should be fine.
>
> What's the engine it's going in to, and what viscosity are you thinking
> of using? This is also fairly important.


Thanks, it sounds like it's OK. It's going in a 200 TDi and if the minimum
spec is ACEA B2:96 and I'm using ACEA B3 it should be alright. It's 10w40.

If it is, this means I can use Castrol GTX which is considerably less
expensive than the diesel Castrol. Now I'm going to get people screaming at
me that I can't use a "petrol" oil in a diesel engine, I bet.

TonyB


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Old 11-13-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?

TonyB wrote:

> Thanks, it sounds like it's OK. It's going in a 200 TDi and if the minimum
> spec is ACEA B2:96 and I'm using ACEA B3 it should be alright. It's 10w40.
>
> If it is, this means I can use Castrol GTX which is considerably less
> expensive than the diesel Castrol. Now I'm going to get people screaming at
> me that I can't use a "petrol" oil in a diesel engine, I bet.


I'd still use a diesel specific oil in this engine. It's a
high-revving, relatively high-compression, turbocharged diesel engine
with a relatively small oil capacity and as such is going to be fairly
hard on it's oil.

IMO it's a false economy to try and save a small amount of money at oil
change time to the potential detriment of engine wear - even one
turbocharger rebuild will cost more than your savings in 100,000 miles
of using the chaeper oil. I use Pennz Long-Life 15W/40 in similar
engines but if I were in the UK I'd be using 15W/40 Chevron-Texaco Delo
400 as I'm not aware of Pennz being available there. However any
equivalent oil from a reputable manufacturer should be fine.

IIRC there's an oil boffin lurking here somewhere who will have a more
knowledgeable opinion on this matter and I expect they will be along
shortly.

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Old 11-13-2005, 15:02   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?

On or around Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:48:22 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
<Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:dl81f8$mup$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> TonyB wrote:
>> > Hi guys
>> > If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
>> > can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?

>>
>> The API Cx ratings are for diesel service, the Sx ratings are for petrol
>> service. So the API data you have given us is not particularly helpful.
>>
>> The ACEA Ax is for petrol service, and the Bx is for light diesel
>> service. A B2 spec is the 'lowest' class of oil they rate, and a B3 spec
>> oil meets that standard as well as additional extended drain
>> requirements so should be fine.
>>
>> What's the engine it's going in to, and what viscosity are you thinking
>> of using? This is also fairly important.

>
>Thanks, it sounds like it's OK. It's going in a 200 TDi and if the minimum
>spec is ACEA B2:96 and I'm using ACEA B3 it should be alright. It's 10w40.
>
>If it is, this means I can use Castrol GTX which is considerably less
>expensive than the diesel Castrol. Now I'm going to get people screaming at
>me that I can't use a "petrol" oil in a diesel engine, I bet.


if it meets the specs, it's mutlipurpose oil, not specifically petrol or
diesel.

lately, mine have bene running on Q8's high-spec tractor oil, which was a
good price in the local agric merchant for 25l drums. Meets all sorts of
specs, plenty good enough for LR and van engines. It's a bit light
viscosity for the series III in summer, but I bet it'll be OK in winter.
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Old 11-13-2005, 15:02   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Oil types?


"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
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> On or around Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:48:22 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
> <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:dl81f8$mup$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> TonyB wrote:
>>> > Hi guys
>>> > If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
>>> > can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?
>>>
>>> The API Cx ratings are for diesel service, the Sx ratings are for petrol
>>> service. So the API data you have given us is not particularly helpful.
>>>
>>> The ACEA Ax is for petrol service, and the Bx is for light diesel
>>> service. A B2 spec is the 'lowest' class of oil they rate, and a B3 spec
>>> oil meets that standard as well as additional extended drain
>>> requirements so should be fine.
>>>
>>> What's the engine it's going in to, and what viscosity are you thinking
>>> of using? This is also fairly important.

>>
>>Thanks, it sounds like it's OK. It's going in a 200 TDi and if the minimum
>>spec is ACEA B2:96 and I'm using ACEA B3 it should be alright. It's 10w40.
>>
>>If it is, this means I can use Castrol GTX which is considerably less
>>expensive than the diesel Castrol. Now I'm going to get people screaming
>>at
>>me that I can't use a "petrol" oil in a diesel engine, I bet.

>
> if it meets the specs, it's mutlipurpose oil, not specifically petrol or
> diesel.
>


AFAIK standard GTX is not a multifleet oil.

> lately, mine have bene running on Q8's high-spec tractor oil, which was a
> good price in the local agric merchant for 25l drums. Meets all sorts of
> specs, plenty good enough for LR and van engines.


If it meets ACEA E3 or mb228.3 or API CH4, which premium oils will do, then
it is ideal for even longer drain intervals than LR recommend, thus giving
added assurance for the careless or the extreme driver.



It's a bit light
> viscosity for the series III in summer, but I bet it'll be OK in winter.



If you are using a super universal tractor oil of 15w/30 or the better and
more expensive 10w/30 then, although it will be much better than GTX, it
will not be ideal for the 200tdi unless it meets at least E2 228.1 or CH4.

Huw


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Old 11-13-2005, 15:02   #9 (permalink)
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"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dl81f8$mup$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> TonyB wrote:
>> > Hi guys
>> > If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
>> > can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?

>>
>> The API Cx ratings are for diesel service, the Sx ratings are for petrol
>> service. So the API data you have given us is not particularly helpful.
>>
>> The ACEA Ax is for petrol service, and the Bx is for light diesel
>> service. A B2 spec is the 'lowest' class of oil they rate, and a B3 spec
>> oil meets that standard as well as additional extended drain
>> requirements so should be fine.
>>
>> What's the engine it's going in to, and what viscosity are you thinking
>> of using? This is also fairly important.

>
> Thanks, it sounds like it's OK. It's going in a 200 TDi and if the minimum
> spec is ACEA B2:96 and I'm using ACEA B3 it should be alright. It's 10w40.
>
> If it is, this means I can use Castrol GTX which is considerably less
> expensive than the diesel Castrol. Now I'm going to get people screaming
> at
> me that I can't use a "petrol" oil in a diesel engine, I bet.
>


Yes you are. If you are running this engine on anything less than the old
CCMC D5 spec which is now obsolete then you will be compromising its
ultimate life. This spec was the first SHPD spec and its modern equivalent
is ACEA E2 or mb228.1 but there is absolutely no reason today for not using
the better
ACEA E3 specification oil. This can be substituted by the approximately
equal API CH4 or mb228.3 specs.
Land Rover are often guilty of specifying lesser oils than they should IMHO
although if you read the instruction book for both VM and 200tdi engines of
the time, I do believe it mentions that CCMC D5 should be used but it is not
as clear as it should be about explaining that this is as a minimum. That
oils meeting the specifications that I quote above will also meet and exceed
the lesser specifications [you mention] for light vehicle engines also
mentioned in the book should be taken as given.

Huw



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Old 11-13-2005, 15:02   #10 (permalink)
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"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
>> >Hi guys
>> >If the manual says use an oil to specACEA B2:96, API CE or better,
>> >can I use API SJ and ACEA A3/B3?
>> >

>>
>> yes.
>>
>> although if it's a diesel it's the API C[] rating you should be looking

> at.
>> chances are an SJ is more than CE though, so to speak.
>>
>> S for spark ignition, C for compression ignition, IIRC, and in general,

> the
>> further through the alphabet the better. SG was, for example, the point
>> where anti-sludging was added to the standard (again IIRC) and it's quite
>> tricky to get 20W50 grade oil that conforms to SG for to put in earlier

> V8s.
>> --

> Thanks Austin. This could be saving a lot of people a lot of money. The
> GTX
> was about 15 quid, the diesel version by Esso was 24 quid.
>
> BTW for other home mechanics, I'm using a Pela oil changer which is very
> good. Cost about 20 quid from Ebay and has paid for itself already.
>


The correct oil for this engine should cost no more than 38+VAT for 25
litres at a motor factor, truck or agricultural supplier or dealer.

Huw


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