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Old 07-21-2005, 02:02   #1 (permalink)
Jonathan Williams
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OT: Selling a car to a Frenchman

Hi all,

OT but you guys seem to know most things!

Have sold my Disco to a guy in France who is coming over to pick it up and
take it back with him to France.

Should I just fill in the notification of permanent export and let him take
the remainder of the V5 with him when he goes. I assume as soon as DVLA
receive this notification they don't care about who owns the vehicle
anymore. Do I need any evidence from customs to prove it has been taken out
of the country.

Any advice please. DVLA recorded info just repeats what it says on the form
and doesn't anticipate this scenario.

Cheers,

Jonathan


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Old 07-21-2005, 03:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman


"Jonathan Williams" <Jon@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dbnlev$3ai$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> Have sold my Disco to a guy in France who is coming over to pick it up
> and take it back with him to France.
>
> Should I just fill in the notification of permanent export and let him
> take the remainder of the V5 with him when he goes. I assume as soon
> as DVLA receive this notification they don't care about who owns the
> vehicle anymore. Do I need any evidence from customs to prove it has
> been taken out of the country.
>
> Any advice please. DVLA recorded info just repeats what it says on
> the form and doesn't anticipate this scenario.
>


I had a real dust-up with DVLA about just this problem last year. At
first, they said I should have signed the "permanent export" section,
but I explained that I was not prepared to sign a manifestly untrue
statement: I was _not_ exporting the vehicle, and I had no control
whatsoever over what my buyer would do with it once it left my drive.
Eventually, I had a letter from a TJ Horton, on behalf of their Head of
External and Corporate Services. In it, he said:

"... your particular circumstances are not catered for in the formal
guidelines. In the light of your enquiry, we will add new material to
the booklet (INS160) at the next reprint."

"If the purchaser does not have an address in this country and wishes to
export the vehicle immediately the existing registration document can be
handed to the buyer. The document may then be presented to the
registration authority abroad to effect re-registration"

"In order to discharge your liability a letter should be sent notifying
DVLA that you are no longer responsible for the vehicle. This will
prevent any subsequent action being taken against you in the event of
unlicensed use and other offences that might be committed after you have
disposed of the vehicle"

So I'd sign the changes section, hand it over, write to the DVLA, and
stick a note in your diary to chase them up if they don't acknowledge
your letter within a few weeks. I'd let the buyer worry about Customs.
Apparently DVLA won't themselves notify foreign (even EC) registration
authorities, and can't even record foreign addresses. So much for the
"unified European V5C"

Must check whether they ever did update the booklet like they promised.


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Old 07-21-2005, 05:02   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

"Autolycus" <nov2004@mainbeam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "In order to discharge your liability a letter should be sent notifying
> DVLA that you are no longer responsible for the vehicle. This will
> prevent any subsequent action being taken against you in the event of
> unlicensed use and other offences that might be committed after you have
> disposed of the vehicle"


> --
> Kevin Poole
> **Use current month and year to reply (e.g. jul2005@mainbeam.co.uk)***
> Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby


I'd also add to send the letter to DVLA by recorded delivery or motorcycle
outrider havily armed in order to obtain a name and signature of the
recipient. It may be unecessary in most cases but their rather intimidating
letters and suggestions of court cases cause more than their fair share of
sleepless nights for the innocent few. Theres nothing I find more
frustrating than an denial of receipt of letters and always wish after the
event I'd sent it recorded delivery.

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Old 07-21-2005, 15:03   #4 (permalink)
rob smit
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

And thankfully we live in "one Europe"
no more borders no more customs and
finally one currency. (hehehe)
Grt Robert



"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> schreef in bericht
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> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:24:04 +0100, "Lee_D"
> <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd also add to send the letter to DVLA by recorded delivery or motorcycle
>>outrider havily armed in order to obtain a name and signature of the
>>recipient. It may be unecessary in most cases but their rather
>>intimidating
>>letters and suggestions of court cases cause more than their fair share of
>>sleepless nights for the innocent few. Theres nothing I find more
>>frustrating than an denial of receipt of letters and always wish after the
>>event I'd sent it recorded delivery.

>
> Always send ANY important communication by Recorded Delivery - always.
>
> I ended up in Court following a monumental DVLA (useless wankers)
> balls-up. I presented all the various correspondence together with
> corresponding Recorded Delivery slips and printouts of proof of
> delivery to the Court. Got thrown out and I claimed somewhat
> unreasonable costs which almost but not quite made it all worth it :-)
>
> I never did get an apology, though, which fecks me off more than
> anything else when dealing with clueless, officious paper-pushing
> tossers 'in authority'.
>
> Another balls-up almost led to one of our local 'Bobbies' - someone
> for whom I have a great deal of time actually, nearly losing her job.
> Again, no apology, not even close, just a letter saying that although
> they may have been wrong, it was obviously her fault...
>
> I take great pride - when wearing one of my other 'hats', in being
> equally as officious and unhelpful when I'm called upon to deal with
> such government employees - whilst being totally fair and just -
> obviously.
>
> We like to think that we can trust government empowered bodies to get
> it right, albeit 'eventually', however the sad truth is that we
> cannot, and therefore must protect ourselves from their ****wittery.
>
>
>



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Old 07-21-2005, 15:03   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

> clueless, officious paper-pushing
>tossers 'in authority'.
>
>
>We like to think that we can trust government empowered bodies to get
>it right, albeit 'eventually', however the sad truth is that we
>cannot, and therefore must protect ourselves from their ****wittery.
>


Absolutely couldn't agree more. The government and their institutions
are getting more arrogant and presumptuous by the day.
--
John Lubran

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
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Old 07-21-2005, 15:03   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

Moving Vision wrote:
>> clueless, officious paper-pushing
>> tossers 'in authority'.
>>
>>
>> We like to think that we can trust government empowered bodies to get
>> it right, albeit 'eventually', however the sad truth is that we
>> cannot, and therefore must protect ourselves from their ****wittery.
>>

>
> Absolutely couldn't agree more. The government and their institutions
> are getting more arrogant and presumptuous by the day.


As in:

"The state budget must be balanced. If the state is not to go bankrupt, public
debts must be cut back, the arrogance of the officials must be curbed and
brought under control, and payments to foreign governments must be reduced."

-- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.

nigelH


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Old 07-21-2005, 15:03   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

so Nigel Hewitt was, like...
> "The state budget must be balanced. If the state is not to go
> bankrupt, public debts must be cut back, the arrogance of the
> officials must be curbed and brought under control, and payments to
> foreign governments must be reduced."
> -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.


Nothing new under the sun, then.

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Old 07-21-2005, 18:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Selling a car to a Frenchman

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:13:33 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:

>> "The state budget must be balanced. If the state is not to go
>> bankrupt, public debts must be cut back, the arrogance of the
>> officials must be curbed and brought under control, and payments to
>> foreign governments must be reduced."
>> -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.

>
> Nothing new under the sun, then.


There is now, along the lines of "If the state budget is running out
of money move the accounting period to generate another 10 billion..."

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