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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #1 (permalink)
Lee_D
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Paint man Paint.

I got some xylene (?sp?) absed paint from the paint man at Gaydon for Morph
in Desert Sand (Wet sand not dark, but light and wet IYSWIM ;0) )

Now I know I need to use Acid Etch , then a primer. I have some primer left
over from my Cellulose job on Alfie (the now all Blue again rangie). Can I
use these ok with Xylene based paint (which I think is a type of cellulose
but reserve the right to be wrong).

Otherwise how many litres do we think will be required to spray all around
inc the roof with sealer? Morphs a 101 Ambulance... oh and the wheels
too...

Lee D

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:35   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Paint man Paint.

In message <3grhv0Fdt5spU1@individual.net>
"Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:

I ain't the paintman but;

>I got some xylene (?sp?) absed paint from the paint man at Gaydon for Morph
>in Desert Sand (Wet sand not dark, but light and wet IYSWIM ;0) )


Xylene is a common component used in cellulose and twin-pack paints,
AFAIK it's not used in synthetic or oil based paints.

>Now I know I need to use Acid Etch , then a primer. I have some primer left
>over from my Cellulose job on Alfie (the now all Blue again rangie). Can I
>use these ok with Xylene based paint (which I think is a type of cellulose
>but reserve the right to be wrong).


Acid etch is only needed for bare metal areas and you should be able to
use your old existing cellulose primer over the new Gaydon xylene paint
and vise-versa, from what a can gather they are both cellulose.

>Otherwise how many litres do we think will be required to spray all around
>inc the roof with sealer? Morphs a 101 Ambulance... oh and the wheels
>too...
>
>Lee D


If in doubt spray a small inconspicuous area first, failing that half a
gallon or two and a half litres of barcote should cover sufficiently if
you follow the application instructions by spraying one coat only.

Steve.



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:35   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Paint man Paint.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:26:46 +0100, Stephen Hull <Steve@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>I ain't the paintman but;


You are, whether you like it or not.
I'd trust your judgement above any other, actually.


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:35   #4 (permalink)
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In message <ccvja1lrtfh4jtufpfedcsud61kvp5ijhv@4ax.com>
Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:26:46 +0100, Stephen Hull <Steve@127.0.0.1>
>wrote:
>
>>I ain't the paintman but;

>
>You are, whether you like it or not.
>I'd trust your judgement above any other, actually.
>
>

Blush!, Thanks Mother

I'm painting some plywood in synthetic enamel as an experiment rubbing
linseed oil into the panel to raise the grain prior to filling etc and
whilst doing this particular job I decided to dig out some old painting
litrature from way back (refreshing ones memory so to speak) and I came
across a method I'd completely forgotten about on how to paint aluminium
without using acid etch primers, surprisingly enough there is or was an
alternative method before acid etch was invented but only useful if you
intend to paint the whole vehicle in synthetic because the method uses
oil based paints and can be a bit messy.

Nonetheless it may be useful to know if spraying by gun or aerosol are
out of the question.

Steve.



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:35   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Paint man Paint.

"Stephen Hull" <Steve@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:2d9cf8784d.Steve@btinternet.com...
> In message <3grhv0Fdt5spU1@individual.net>
> "Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>
> I ain't the paintman but;
>
>>I got some xylene (?sp?) absed paint from the paint man at Gaydon for
>>Morph
>>in Desert Sand (Wet sand not dark, but light and wet IYSWIM ;0) )

>
> Xylene is a common component used in cellulose and twin-pack paints,
> AFAIK it's not used in synthetic or oil based paints.
>
>>Now I know I need to use Acid Etch , then a primer. I have some primer
>>left
>>over from my Cellulose job on Alfie (the now all Blue again rangie). Can I
>>use these ok with Xylene based paint (which I think is a type of cellulose
>>but reserve the right to be wrong).

>
> Acid etch is only needed for bare metal areas and you should be able to
> use your old existing cellulose primer over the new Gaydon xylene paint
> and vise-versa, from what a can gather they are both cellulose.
>


It's all bare ally / brimabright.

I went to my local paint supplier today and told them the above but they
thought it was a Synthetic paint.. then again I wasn't overly convinced.
I bought primer suitable for spraying synthetic over. I have no idea to the
difference . Would this cause any issuse painting Xylene based paint over a
primer intended for Synthetic paint if it is indeed Cellulose based after
all? If so I best dig out my reciept. On the Bright side I have managed to
roller two sides in Acid etch. I've nothing to cover the truck with to
prevent overspray and don't want to upset the neighbours.


Lee D


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:36   #6 (permalink)
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In message <3gv0umFehjmmU1@individual.net>
"Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:

>"Stephen Hull" <Steve@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>news:2d9cf8784d.Steve@btinternet.com...
>> In message <3grhv0Fdt5spU1@individual.net>
>> "Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>>
>> I ain't the paintman but;
>>
>>>I got some xylene (?sp?) absed paint from the paint man at Gaydon for
>>>Morph
>>>in Desert Sand (Wet sand not dark, but light and wet IYSWIM ;0) )

>>
>> Xylene is a common component used in cellulose and twin-pack paints,
>> AFAIK it's not used in synthetic or oil based paints.
>>
>>>Now I know I need to use Acid Etch , then a primer. I have some primer
>>>left
>>>over from my Cellulose job on Alfie (the now all Blue again rangie). Can I
>>>use these ok with Xylene based paint (which I think is a type of cellulose
>>>but reserve the right to be wrong).

>>
>> Acid etch is only needed for bare metal areas and you should be able to
>> use your old existing cellulose primer over the new Gaydon xylene paint
>> and vise-versa, from what a can gather they are both cellulose.
>>

>
>It's all bare ally / brimabright.
>
>I went to my local paint supplier today and told them the above but they
>thought it was a Synthetic paint.. then again I wasn't overly convinced.
>I bought primer suitable for spraying synthetic over. I have no idea to the
>difference . Would this cause any issuse painting Xylene based paint over a
>primer intended for Synthetic paint if it is indeed Cellulose based after
>all? If so I best dig out my reciept. On the Bright side I have managed to
>roller two sides in Acid etch. I've nothing to cover the truck with to
>prevent overspray and don't want to upset the neighbours.
>

Xylene should be compatible with cellulose because xylene is cellulose.
You can paint cellulose over cellulose but should use the same thinners
You can paint synthetic over cellulose.
You cannot paint cellulose over synthetic because it will bubble off
just like using paint remover.

Two Pack Activator contains Isocyanates, Xylene.
Two Pack Thinner contains Tolulene, Ethoxyethanol.
Two Pack Clear Lacquer contains Xylene.
Cellulose contains Tolulene, Xylene, Methanol.
Synthetic contains mainly Turpentine.

As a quick test try pouring some of the paint into a polystyrene cup to
see if it melts, if it melts it is cellulose or xylene based.
Synthetic or turpentine won't melt polystyrene.

Steve.


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