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Old 11-18-2005, 13:01   #1 (permalink)
Nick Williams
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Power steering, unplugged

Despite the best efforts of our very own Mr Beamends, my plan for fitting of
PAS this weekend has hit a snag. We have all the bits except the two groove
pulley for the end of the crank shaft.

How driveable is a 90 fitted with a PAS box but with no hydraulic pressure?
Can I fit all the bits and wait for the pulley to arrive, and still expect to
be able to point the beast around corners or is this a Bad Idea (TM)?

ThanksNick.


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Old 11-18-2005, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Power steering, unplugged

Nick Williams wrote:
> Despite the best efforts of our very own Mr Beamends, my plan for fitting of
> PAS this weekend has hit a snag. We have all the bits except the two groove
> pulley for the end of the crank shaft.
>
> How driveable is a 90 fitted with a PAS box but with no hydraulic pressure?
> Can I fit all the bits and wait for the pulley to arrive, and still expect to
> be able to point the beast around corners or is this a Bad Idea (TM)?


Bad idea (TM) as non-powered PAS is significantly heavier and more vague
than the Armstrong steering it currently has.


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Old 11-18-2005, 16:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Power steering, unplugged

To reinforce what EMB says, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
It will be undriveable and possibly lethal. Don't attempt it, steering
will be way way heavier than normal.

Sean
73FL74 101GS
1984 110 2.5NA (with power steeing kit sitting in back for 18 months,
will fit it one day!)
Medway Military Vehicle Group
www.mmvg.net

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Old 11-18-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Power steering, unplugged

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:40:34 +0000, sean101ryan@hotmail.com wrote
(in article <1132353634.326089.100210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):

> To reinforce what EMB says, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
> It will be undriveable and possibly lethal. Don't attempt it, steering
> will be way way heavier than normal.
>
> Sean
> 73FL74 101GS
> 1984 110 2.5NA (with power steeing kit sitting in back for 18 months,
> will fit it one day!)
> Medway Military Vehicle Group
> www.mmvg.net
>


OK, I got the message and I'll heed it.

Thanks

Nick.

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Old 11-20-2005, 09:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Power steering, unplugged

On or around 18 Nov 2005 14:40:34 -0800, sean101ryan@hotmail.com enlightened
us thusly:

>To reinforce what EMB says, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>It will be undriveable and possibly lethal. Don't attempt it, steering
>will be way way heavier than normal.


sorry, but bollocks.

It's hard work, but it's doable, it's not "undriveable". I've driven a 110
with defunct PAS - it's *very* heavy and a bastard to park, but it is
driveable. Take it easy if you have to drive it, and don't expect to be
able to spin the wheel to take sharp corners.

That said, if you haven't yet changed the steering box, you may as well keep
the manual one in place.

But if you have changed it, and have to drive the vehicle, it can be done
with care.

Usual disclaimers apply, viz. "don't come complaining to me if you drive it
into a lamp-post".
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And miles to go before I sleep."
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Old 11-20-2005, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Power steering, unplugged

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around 18 Nov 2005 14:40:34 -0800, sean101ryan@hotmail.com
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> To reinforce what EMB says, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>> It will be undriveable and possibly lethal. Don't attempt it,
>> steering will be way way heavier than normal.

>
> sorry, but bollocks.


Yep have to agree part of the requirement for power steering is that
should pressure fail the vehicle must still be driveable

> It's hard work, but it's doable, it's not "undriveable". I've driven
> a 110 with defunct PAS - it's *very* heavy and a bastard to park, but
> it is driveable. Take it easy if you have to drive it, and don't
> expect to be able to spin the wheel to take sharp corners.



Ha I beat that, a double decker bus from the middle of Sheffield
to Hillsbrough I ought to have arms like Schwarzenegger not something
I'd try on a regular basis but do-able


>
> That said, if you haven't yet changed the steering box, you may as
> well keep the manual one in place.
>
> But if you have changed it, and have to drive the vehicle, it can be
> done with care.


the secret is to turn the steering when the vehicle is moving

>
> Usual disclaimers apply, viz. "don't come complaining to me if you
> drive it into a lamp-post".


Ditto

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Old 11-20-2005, 11:02   #7 (permalink)
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:06:29 +0000, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around 18 Nov 2005 14:40:34 -0800, sean101ryan@hotmail.com enlightened
>us thusly:
>
>>To reinforce what EMB says, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>>It will be undriveable and possibly lethal. Don't attempt it, steering
>>will be way way heavier than normal.

>
>sorry, but bollocks.
>
>It's hard work, but it's doable, it's not "undriveable". I've driven a 110
>with defunct PAS - it's *very* heavy and a bastard to park, but it is
>driveable. Take it easy if you have to drive it, and don't expect to be
>able to spin the wheel to take sharp corners.


I drove my car with unpowered power steering for a fair while and
never had any problems. You only really notice it not being there when
youre doing slow speed manouvering (parking!).
Cant imagine a 110 is significantly different.


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Old 11-20-2005, 12:01   #8 (permalink)
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On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:56:20 +0000, Tom Woods
<tomarse_@hotmail.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>I drove my car with unpowered power steering for a fair while and
>never had any problems. You only really notice it not being there when
>youre doing slow speed manouvering (parking!).
>Cant imagine a 110 is significantly different.
>


The 110 did get VERY heavy. Much heavier than the series III for example.
But it was still driveable. I spose it might be said that someone of slight
stature and small upper-body strength might not be able to drive it.
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