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Old 12-21-2005, 03:01   #1 (permalink)
Ian Rawlings
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

On 2005-12-21, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> http://www.101club.org


Holy smeg, what a mess. Shots like that bring home what a disaster
the event would have been had it taken place when the business park
was busy.

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Old 12-21-2005, 07:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

On or around Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:26:27 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2005-12-21, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.101club.org

>
>Holy smeg, what a mess. Shots like that bring home what a disaster
>the event would have been had it taken place when the business park
>was busy.


bummer. and that was 25 yards outside the perimeter fence, and appears to
have been melted. Yikes.

the next-door building seems to have suffered rather a lot too.
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

Austin Shackles wrote:

> bummer. and that was 25 yards outside the perimeter fence, and appears to
> have been melted. Yikes.
>
> the next-door building seems to have suffered rather a lot too.


Tyres are intact, and there are no local signs of fire damage - the
background trees are green.

Could still be a go-er.

Not nice though, not nice at all.

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Old 12-21-2005, 08:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

Mother wrote:
..
> Was talking to a chap earlier who reckons the initial blast lasted
> less than 5 seconds - he also said that a bomb blast calculated to
> take out half of Iraq would be in the region of a quarter of a second
> - scary!

..
Wonder what kind of kilo-tonnage it represented - it did register at 3
on the Richter scale at a site 17 miles away.

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Old 12-21-2005, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

On or around Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:57:26 +0000, Steve Taylor
<Steve@ravenfield.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> bummer. and that was 25 yards outside the perimeter fence, and appears to
>> have been melted. Yikes.
>>
>> the next-door building seems to have suffered rather a lot too.

>
>Tyres are intact, and there are no local signs of fire damage - the
>background trees are green.
>
>Could still be a go-er.
>
>Not nice though, not nice at all.


yeah, but it's the body that was unusual, and that's the bit that's been
destroyed. Does birmabright burn?
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Old 12-21-2005, 17:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:15:46 +0000, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:57:26 +0000, Steve Taylor
><Steve@ravenfield.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> bummer. and that was 25 yards outside the perimeter fence, and appears to
>>> have been melted. Yikes.
>>>
>>> the next-door building seems to have suffered rather a lot too.

>>
>>Tyres are intact, and there are no local signs of fire damage - the
>>background trees are green.
>>
>>Could still be a go-er.
>>
>>Not nice though, not nice at all.

>
>yeah, but it's the body that was unusual, and that's the bit that's been
>destroyed. Does birmabright burn?


Aluminium just melts, i think the Magnesium in Birmabright will burn
though.

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Old 12-22-2005, 02:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <davepseudonym@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.


Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC
Boiling pint of Aluminium: 2519 degC
Combustion temp of Aluminium: 3826 degC
Temperature of the Sun: 5500 degC

I don't think Buncefield got quite that hot....

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Old 12-22-2005, 06:01   #9 (permalink)
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Alex wrote:

> On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <davepseudonym@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.

>
> Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC
> Boiling pint of Aluminium: 2519 degC
> Combustion temp of Aluminium: 3826 degC
> Temperature of the Sun: 5500 degC
>
> I don't think Buncefield got quite that hot....
>


All it would take is for the battery to end up shorted directly across a
body panel for that to happen - $UNGODLY Amps will cause ally to heat quite
nicely - also Birmabright has a magnesium component which drops the
ignition point a good bit - magnesium itself can be set off with a match
and it exceeds the ignition point of aluminium when it burns.

It *could* have happened - probably just melted though - if the ally had
gone up it would have done some much nastier things to the chassis - like
melt it to slag.

There's a name for burning aluminium near a rusty steel chassis.

Thermite.

P.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

Paul S. Brown wrote:

> There's a name for burning aluminium near a rusty steel chassis.
>
> Thermite.
>
> P.


For it to go off properly you need finely powdered iron oxide and
aluminium don't you ?

Steve
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