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Old 01-16-2006, 04:01   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Time to be worried...


"Rory Manton" <rory@griffon65.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> The scary thing is the bastards might have shot you before they realise they
>> have made "a mistake", on the basis of the electronic intelligence they have
>> received - and the Police complaints authority launches its usual white-wash.
>>
>> Steve

>
> That is the dumbest thing I have see written in a long time.
>
> Those "bastards" are the same "Bastards" that are protecting you and your
> liberties even though you don't know it or seam to care.



Agreed, but unfortunately they have demonstrated they are incapable of doing so in
an acceptable manner.
One 'mistake' is one too many, the next one could be you. I have yet to hear a
plausible explanation of why it was necessary to shoot an arrested suspect 9 times
in the head, I'm not sure we've yet been told 'sorry it was a mistake', mostly it
has been 'it wasn't my fault.'
When we hear such an explanation I will consider wether they should continue to be
entrusted with the powers they currently enjoy let alone any extras such as
imprisonment without trial for suspects. eg those detected by ANPR.



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Old 01-16-2006, 04:01   #2 (permalink)
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"Rory Manton" <rory@griffon65.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "JacobH" <Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm> wrote in message
> news:domi3n$fup$1@odyssey.colin-jones.co.uk...
>> One 'mistake' is one too many, the next one could be you. I have yet to hear a
>> plausible explanation of why it was necessary to shoot an arrested suspect 9
>> times in the head, I'm not sure we've yet been told 'sorry it was a mistake',
>> mostly it has been 'it wasn't my fault.'

>
>
>>

>
>
> You shoot somebody 9 times in the head because it kills them, outright, no
> messing about with a wounded suspect who may be about to detonate a large,
> or small bomb and blow innocent bystanders to bits, One death , lots of
> deaths you call it.


I agree with your analysis, my main difficulty is that the gentleman had already
been restrained ie arrested. He was therefore shot whilst in custody. I regret I
am unable to reconcile that.
I don't care, I do not allow the police force in my country to kill innocent
people, for that is what they are, for whatever reason. Come to that Neither do I
allow them to kill guilty people!!
End of discussion!!



> I think that the Police did what was necessary to protect innocent people.
> Given the heightened state of alert, the fact that the person ran when
> challenged( and don't give me that crap about being a foreigner who didn't
> understand a police challenge, he had been here for some time) the Police on
> the ground did the right thing . Questions raised by the shooting should be
> directed at the government who let so many civil liberties of the majority
> go to pot by pandering to minorities with in the country who wish to flout
> the law.
>>

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Old 01-16-2006, 04:01   #3 (permalink)
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"JacobH" <Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm> wrote in message
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> "Rory Manton" <rory@griffon65.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:don3fu$fsp$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
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>> "JacobH" <Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm> wrote in message
>> news:domi3n$fup$1@odyssey.colin-jones.co.uk...
>>> One 'mistake' is one too many, the next one could be you. I have yet to hear a
>>> plausible explanation of why it was necessary to shoot an arrested suspect 9
>>> times in the head, I'm not sure we've yet been told 'sorry it was a mistake',
>>> mostly it has been 'it wasn't my fault.'

>>
>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> You shoot somebody 9 times in the head because it kills them, outright, no
>> messing about with a wounded suspect who may be about to detonate a large,
>> or small bomb and blow innocent bystanders to bits, One death , lots of
>> deaths you call it.

>
> I agree with your analysis, my main difficulty is that the gentleman had already
> been restrained ie arrested. He was therefore shot whilst in custody. I regret I
> am unable to reconcile that.
> I don't care, I do not allow the police force in my country to kill innocent
> people, for that is what they are, for whatever reason. Come to that Neither do
> I allow them to kill guilty people!!
> End of discussion!!


Sorry didn't mean I wouldn't continue to discuss the subject just end of
contribution. Sometimes wish we used the Merkin 'period' meaning at's it!

>
>> I think that the Police did what was necessary to protect innocent people.
>> Given the heightened state of alert, the fact that the person ran when
>> challenged( and don't give me that crap about being a foreigner who didn't
>> understand a police challenge, he had been here for some time) the Police on
>> the ground did the right thing . Questions raised by the shooting should be
>> directed at the government who let so many civil liberties of the majority
>> go to pot by pandering to minorities with in the country who wish to flout
>> the law.
>>>

>>
>>

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>



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Old 01-16-2006, 04:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
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> On or around Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:35:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
> <news05@tarcus.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On 2005-12-25, Steve <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> No, A deadman's switch relies on some one NOT pressing it, can be set to
>>> go off on RELEASE

>>
>>Hmm, somewhat contradictory there, releasing a not-pressed button.
>>Interesting concept.

>
> traditionally, you have a springloaded trigger which you hold closed, rather
> like a grenade handle, which releases when you die.
>
> but as pointed out elsewhere in the fred, these days it could be almost
> anything.
>
> Going back to the thing about the bloke - they challenged, and he ran, and
> they chased him all through a tube station and down to the platform and onto
> a train, and *then* shot him.


All hearsay! Not given in edivence in a court of law!

In the hearsay I heard, the gentleman was tackled by one officer and restrained
whilst a second shot him 9 that's nine times!
Sorry, not acceptable!


If they were any good, they'd have shot him
> to disable him long before he got to the tube train - if he HAD had a bomb
> on a deadman trigger, it'd have done far more damage down there than in the
> street. So even by the lights of what they were allegedly trying to do,
> they didn't do much of a job.
>
> Basically, if we're going to have armed police officers as a habit they need
> MUCH better training.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
> of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
> boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)




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