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Old 12-20-2005, 04:01   #1 (permalink)
glencoyne
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Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

Copy of message I have already posted on S2 club forum:

I just took a 1963 2A 109 petrol to my local MOT station. They now
have the new computerised testing system which they did not have last
time. They input the chassis number into the system and then informed
me that they could not carry out the MOT.

Reason given was that the vehicle has a revenue weight of 3499kg gross,
and must therefore undergo a class 7 MOT test (commercial vehicles 3000
- 3499kg GRW) which most MOT stations are not equipped for. I was
given a computerised printout which showed the reason for rejection as
'Vehicle details entered incorrectly at test registration - wrong class
vehicle'.

Sure enough, the V5 states revenue weight of 3499kg gross. I thought
this might be a one-off error: with a 2A weighing about 1800kg empty,
if you load it up to 3499kg the chassis will probably bend in the
middle. But then I checked the V5s for other commercial bodied Land
Rovers that I have at the moment, and found revenue weights on the V5s
as follows:

1971 2a 109: 3499kg
1964 2a 88: 2465kg
1959 S2 88: 3499kg
1980 S3 Lightweight: 3499kg
1983 S3 88: 3499kg
1958 S2 109: 2465kg
1987 90 hardtop: 3499kg

Houston, we have a problem. It looks as though DVLA have been using
3499kg as the default revenue weight on Land Rover V5s for a very long
time. Apart from the shortage of class 7 testing stations, the test
costs more than a class 4 test. I don't know if it is any tougher.

So I rang DVLA and was told that to change the revenue weight, all you
need to do is enter the new weight on the V5C, sign it and send it back
to them. I will do this today, but first:

Does anyone know what the correct revenue weight (gross laden weight)
is for the various models of Land Rover? The only ones I have found so
far (from a Series 3 handbook) are:

Series 3 88 inch (all) 2120kg
Series 3 109 inch 4 and 6 cyl (exc. 1 Ton) 2710kg

I guess these apply equally to Series 2 and 2A equivalents, but it
would be nice to have this confirmed.

Richard

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Old 12-20-2005, 07:02   #2 (permalink)
Tom Woods
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

MOT garages always get confused when they get anything that isnt
standard.

I was under the impression that the cut off point for class 4 MOT's
was 3500kg* - so yours at 3499 should still fall within this.

(* though motor caravans and ambulances are exempt from this limit and
can always get class 4's whatever the weight)

Also, isnt a landrover classed as a 'dual purpose vehicle' - and this
should also entitle it to a class 4.

I keep meaning to get a copy of the road vehicles construction and use
regulations (i think its that one i needed) out of the library to have
a read. Nobody understands the rules.

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Old 12-20-2005, 07:02   #3 (permalink)
Badger
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time


"Tom Woods" <tomarse_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> MOT garages always get confused when they get anything that isnt
> standard.
>
> I was under the impression that the cut off point for class 4 MOT's
> was 3500kg* - so yours at 3499 should still fall within this.


3000Kg??

> (* though motor caravans and ambulances are exempt from this limit and
> can always get class 4's whatever the weight)


Indeed, but due to their physical size and sometimes their weight they must
be done at a class 7 testing station even though it's a class 4 test.

> Also, isnt a landrover classed as a 'dual purpose vehicle' - and this
> should also entitle it to a class 4.


Yes, as long as it isn't a truck cab, 'cos then it falls into the commercial
sector as it hasn't been constructed or adapted to carry passengers etc etc,
I'd need to nip into the garage and read the manual to be precise though.

Badger.


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Old 12-20-2005, 07:02   #4 (permalink)
David G. Bell
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

On 20 Dec, in article
<1135075501.848556.52220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
richard@glencoyne.co.uk "glencoyne" wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correct revenue weight (gross laden weight)
> is for the various models of Land Rover? The only ones I have found so
> far (from a Series 3 handbook) are:
>
> Series 3 88 inch (all) 2120kg
> Series 3 109 inch 4 and 6 cyl (exc. 1 Ton) 2710kg
>
> I guess these apply equally to Series 2 and 2A equivalents, but it
> would be nice to have this confirmed.


The military manual for the Series III Lightweight, and the combined
serial number and weight plate on the driver's side of the seatbox, both
give a gross laden weight of 2020 kg. (Which gives just over half a ton
for payload and driver, on roads.)

I think it definitely needs confirming for the earlier models.

Swansea's database is _not_ reliable. It led to be getting a private
parking ticket for leaving a combine harvester in a supermarket carpark,
two years after they stopped sending me tax/SORN reminders when I sold
it. It was later exported to Cyprus.

Like most government computer systems, they have a severe GIGO problem,
and seem pretty uncaring about fixing it.

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Old 12-20-2005, 08:01   #5 (permalink)
beamendsltd
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

In message <20051220.1237.105620snz@zhochaka.org.uk>
dbell@zhochaka.org.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:

> On 20 Dec, in article
> <1135075501.848556.52220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> richard@glencoyne.co.uk "glencoyne" wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what the correct revenue weight (gross laden weight)
> > is for the various models of Land Rover? The only ones I have found so
> > far (from a Series 3 handbook) are:
> >
> > Series 3 88 inch (all) 2120kg
> > Series 3 109 inch 4 and 6 cyl (exc. 1 Ton) 2710kg
> >
> > I guess these apply equally to Series 2 and 2A equivalents, but it
> > would be nice to have this confirmed.

>
> The military manual for the Series III Lightweight, and the combined
> serial number and weight plate on the driver's side of the seatbox, both
> give a gross laden weight of 2020 kg. (Which gives just over half a ton
> for payload and driver, on roads.)
>
> I think it definitely needs confirming for the earlier models.
>
> Swansea's database is _not_ reliable. It led to be getting a private
> parking ticket for leaving a combine harvester in a supermarket carpark,
> two years after they stopped sending me tax/SORN reminders when I sold
> it. It was later exported to Cyprus.
>
> Like most government computer systems, they have a severe GIGO problem,
> and seem pretty uncaring about fixing it.
>


<rant mode>[1]

It's Targets. Targets are all that matter. Meet your Targets and you'll
Be A Good Manager. Causing havoc and ruining peoples lives does not matter,
it's not a Target. Failing to keep customers happy does not matter, it's
not a Target. Helping people to put things right does not matter either,
guess what - it's not a Target. Indeed, waste your time actually sorting
things out and you will miss your Target, thereby becomming a Bad Manager.

But the really galling thing is that these mamagers who are getting
paid a fortune to force the poor sods that work for them to meet
their Targets haven't got the spine to turn round and say it's wrong.
And they are almost certainly the first on the phone to Jeremy Vine when
they get treated the same way.

Personaly, I don't know how they sleep at night.

</rant mode>

Richard

[1] Still seething, 6 years later, about getting a phone bill demand
from a company who had bought a non-existant debt from BT.
Calls BT call-centre.....
BT: "We couldn't find your address".
Me: "You haven't got a phone book then?"
BT: "But you might not have been the right person".
Me: "You managed to change our Direct Debit over to this number and
address".
BT: "Oh dear, that seems to be Option 11 out of 10 on my screen, I'll
have to put the phone down on you".

Bye-bye BT, hello NTL!

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Old 12-20-2005, 13:01   #6 (permalink)
EMB
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

glencoyne wrote:

> Series 3 88 inch (all) 2120kg
> Series 3 109 inch 4 and 6 cyl (exc. 1 Ton) 2710kg
>
> I guess these apply equally to Series 2 and 2A equivalents, but it
> would be nice to have this confirmed.


My SIIa SWB has a GVM of 2000kg according to it's NZ registration
documents - which I trust on vehicles that were registered before 1985
when the system fell apart. The S3 SWB that's lurking on my lawn has a
GVM of 2020kg according to it's VIN plate (as do the plates for sale on
ebay).


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Old 12-20-2005, 13:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time


Tom Woods wrote:
> MOT garages always get confused when they get anything that isnt
> standard.
>
> I was under the impression that the cut off point for class 4 MOT's
> was 3500kg* - so yours at 3499 should still fall within this.
>


Cut-off point for Class 4 is 2999kg. 3000-3499kg are class 7 unless
'dual purpose' which basically means 4 wheel drive with seats in the
back. So a plain commercial Land Rover should not be 'dual purpose' -
although I suspect a lot of MOT testers have been using the dual
purpose exemption to get round this problem, which may be why I have
not read anything about it before now. I suspect the safest course of
action is to get the revenue weight changed well before the next MoT is
due.

Richard

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Old 12-20-2005, 13:01   #8 (permalink)
m0bcg
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

i have just been on the landrover.com website .

maximum gross vehicle weight for a defender 90 hardtop is 2400kg
[2500kg maximum axle ]

for a 110 hardtop its 3050kg [3500 maximum axle] .

looks like i have to change my log book listed weight as mine shows
3500kg and i have a 90 defender .

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Old 12-20-2005, 14:01   #9 (permalink)
Larry
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

Well my limo was plated for sommat ridiculos like 3.7 tonnes, and I always
got it MOT's at the Council depot, because they had ramps long enough.
However I always had it MoT''d as a private car not a commercial.


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T

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"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"




"Tom Woods" <tomarse_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qnvfq15j71mgrs09jr4nikcmp3g71gjvs3@4ax.com...
> MOT garages always get confused when they get anything that isnt
> standard.
>
> I was under the impression that the cut off point for class 4 MOT's
> was 3500kg* - so yours at 3499 should still fall within this.
>
> (* though motor caravans and ambulances are exempt from this limit and
> can always get class 4's whatever the weight)
>
> Also, isnt a landrover classed as a 'dual purpose vehicle' - and this
> should also entitle it to a class 4.
>
> I keep meaning to get a copy of the road vehicles construction and use
> regulations (i think its that one i needed) out of the library to have
> a read. Nobody understands the rules.
>



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Old 12-20-2005, 14:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Revenue weight - problem at MOT time

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:18:48 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<brianhatton@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>Yes, as long as it isn't a truck cab, 'cos then it falls into the commercial
>sector as it hasn't been constructed or adapted to carry passengers etc etc,


The fact that it is 4wd means it does not have to comply with the
other things a no 4wd dual purpose does. I still have the DVLA letter
stating my 110 is dual purpose somewhere.

AJH
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