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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #1 (permalink)
Peter
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Satellite spy in every vehicle

Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based system
that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
What price human rights and civil liberties now?

Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!

Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!

Peter




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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #2 (permalink)
Larry
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I doubt if it would be practical in all vehicles due to the electrics, I
suppose there will be a vintage vehicle clause, question is what year the
cut off will be, another point is how will they police it, because if you
don't have it fitted they will no longer know you are there, which will be
very tempting for many I am sure.

If they ever force me to fit one I will fit it inside a Faraday cage :)


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"Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42a2f871$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based

system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>
> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>
> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #3 (permalink)
Dougal
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

Peter wrote:

> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.


> What price human rights and civil liberties now?


That's what I've been saying for ages. Unfortunately the average man in
the street does not appreciate just what GPS can do. If he/she was aware
that his/her vehicle could be positioned to within yards and with a
date/time stamp to within seconds they might realise how vulnerable they
become. Would you trust the police and Government with that sort of
information?

I suppose that I'll be forced to abandon my affair with Cherie!
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #4 (permalink)
GbH
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

In news:d7v7kj$ajj$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk,
Larry <NDA@larry-arnold.com> blithered:
> I doubt if it would be practical in all vehicles due to the
> electrics, I suppose there will be a vintage vehicle clause, question
> is what year the cut off will be, another point is how will they
> police it, because if you don't have it fitted they will no longer
> know you are there, which will be very tempting for many I am sure.
>
> If they ever force me to fit one I will fit it inside a Faraday cage
> :)


Seem to recall yer average motor car is a passable Faraday cage!

>
> "Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42a2f871$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
>> system that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
>> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements
>> and charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
>> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>>
>> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>>
>> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>>
>> Peter




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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #5 (permalink)
Bob Hobden
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle


"Peter" wrote
> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>
> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>
> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>


George Orwell just got the date wrong then!
I wonder if it will say "You are off the registered map" like my car one
does if you go off-road. :-)

Interesting that ID Cards will cost us up to 300 each, whether we pay
ourselves or through the tax system we will pay, and then they bring out
this idea which will also cost us probably about the same amount per
vehicle.
All so their business friends can drive around on less congested roads,
charge it to the firm like the congestion charge, and we, the end consumer,
end up paying again on everything we buy.

Living as I do near just about the busiest part of the M25 my motoring Tax
bill will go through the roof. Then if we all start returning to the B roads
chaos will ensue.

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #6 (permalink)
Pantelis Giamarellos
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Gents Hi,

just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS reading
when they are switched on regardless of whether you are using them (speak or
hear)

Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones can be
remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you say even when you
are not speaking through them. They just hear what you say regardless of
condition and status. Only if you remove the battery or the SIM card do they
stop transmitting your voice and location.

Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way???? I am sure you did but
do you realise that what we now discuss in being monitored and filtered for
"strange" and suspicious words?

Take care
Pantelis

"Bob Hobden" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter" wrote
> > Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> > system
> > that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> > Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> > charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> > What price human rights and civil liberties now?
> >
> > Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
> >
> > Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
> >

>
> George Orwell just got the date wrong then!
> I wonder if it will say "You are off the registered map" like my car one
> does if you go off-road. :-)
>
> Interesting that ID Cards will cost us up to 300 each, whether we pay
> ourselves or through the tax system we will pay, and then they bring out
> this idea which will also cost us probably about the same amount per
> vehicle.
> All so their business friends can drive around on less congested roads,
> charge it to the firm like the congestion charge, and we, the end

consumer,
> end up paying again on everything we buy.
>
> Living as I do near just about the busiest part of the M25 my motoring Tax
> bill will go through the roof. Then if we all start returning to the B

roads
> chaos will ensue.
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob
> In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
>
>
>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #7 (permalink)
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so Pantelis Giamarellos was, like...
>
> Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way???? I am sure you
> did but do you realise that what we now discuss in being monitored
> and filtered for "strange" and suspicious words?
>

Eschelon is a bit "old hat" now. Since 2000 the FBI has used software
called Carnivore, or so I understand. I had assumed that email traffic has
been routinely monitored by the intelligence folks for years. That's why I
never use words like BOMB UZI TERRORIST ANTHRAX AK-47 RICIN SUICIDE MOSQUE
SEMTEX REPUBLICAN PLUTONIUM RED BRIGADE JANE FONDA BAADER-MEINHOF
KALASHNIKOV in my emails or newsgroup postings. Common sense, really.

Oh shit...


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

On 2005-06-05, Peter <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote:

> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> system that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.


A year or so ago one insurance company trialled this idea as a way of
allowing people to pay for insurance depending on how much they drove,
your premiums were calculated from GPS tracking logs. It was
apparently a very popular trial. People will trade their freedom for
simple conveniences any day.

Those who trumpet on about "if you've got nothing to hide" seem to
forget that it's not us who decide what you have to hide and what you
don't.

There'll be a big jump in sales of GPS signal degraders for sure.. It
doesn't take much to swamp a satellite signal so they won't be hard to
make.

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #9 (permalink)
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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:36:39 +0300, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:

> just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS
> reading when they are switched on


GPS really? I thought the location of mobiles down to segmented base
stations and to some extent signal strength via the TDM timing.

> Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones
> can be remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you
> say even when you are not speaking through them.


> Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way????


Yeah but any terrorist worth their salt is not going to be
communicating in plain text. Plenty of encrpytion methods from fvzcyr
ebgngvba or tvctujuvujpo to complex public key/private key non
repeating systems.

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:31   #10 (permalink)
Pantelis Giamarellos
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

Dave and Richard Hi,

we can still confuse them but avoiding all the words Richards has proposed
and add a few more such as explosives, riot, Binn, Bush, George, Tony, John,
Iraq, powder and so many more.

Richard thanks also for the proper spelling of Eschelon. I was sure I have
writen it wrong the first time.

Take care
Pantelis


"Dave Liquorice" <new5pam@howhill.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:36:39 +0300, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>
> > just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS
> > reading when they are switched on

>
> GPS really? I thought the location of mobiles down to segmented base
> stations and to some extent signal strength via the TDM timing.
>
> > Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones
> > can be remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you
> > say even when you are not speaking through them.

>
> > Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way????

>
> Yeah but any terrorist worth their salt is not going to be
> communicating in plain text. Plenty of encrpytion methods from fvzcyr
> ebgngvba or tvctujuvujpo to complex public key/private key non
> repeating systems.
>
> --
> Cheers new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
>



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