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Old 08-19-2005, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
Peter
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Satellite spy in every vehicle

To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-

On Radio 2 today.
The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS based
tracking, charging and monitoring system.
The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3 metres,
speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are committed to bringing
the system in. It will allow charging for every journey. Automatic speeding
fines. Multiple fines on a single journey. 12 points easily racked up in a
few miles. Position of every vehicle known with the press of a button.

Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government removes all
your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Old 08-19-2005, 10:01   #2 (permalink)
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Peter wrote:
> To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-
>
> On Radio 2 today.
> The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS
> based tracking, charging and monitoring system.
> The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3
> metres, speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are
> committed to bringing the system in. It will allow charging for every
> journey. Automatic speeding fines. Multiple fines on a single
> journey. 12 points easily racked up in a few miles. Position of every
> vehicle known with the press of a button.
>
> Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government removes
> all your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont think there's many on here need worry about speeding!

Nige

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Old 08-19-2005, 10:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

In message <43060201$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
"Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote:

> To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-
>
> On Radio 2 today.
> The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS based
> tracking, charging and monitoring system.
> The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3 metres,
> speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are committed to bringing
> the system in. It will allow charging for every journey. Automatic speeding
> fines. Multiple fines on a single journey. 12 points easily racked up in a
> few miles. Position of every vehicle known with the press of a button.
>
> Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government removes all
> your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>


Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no civil liberty issue
there.

You didn't mention the bit about 15 years to introduction, by then
the media will have done the dirty work for the Government (i.e.
the propaganda as used in the anti-smoking, anti-hunting, the
latest anti-shooting, anti 4x4, etc etc) so all the bleeding hearts
will welcome it's introduction.

Being a smoker, having no view on hunting either way except hating
anti's, not having a problem with shooting (on our estate it should
be positively encouraged) and driving a 4x4 all I can say is
tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my pleasures were under
threat, so why should I care about their problems.

Richard
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3mmedoF17bppmU1@individual.net...
all your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Dont think there's many on here need worry about speeding!
>
> Nige
>


Indeed! Bring it on I say, nothing to hide here. Maybe insurance premiums
will stabilise too. As for my civil liberties I can still picnic, protest
(should the need ever take me) and have a life so WTF does it have to do
with effecting my liberty? For me they can hook the cars up to it to prevent
speeding in areas of high accidents.. hell do it everywhere, sooner the
better.

If the authorities suspect I was worthy of "tracking" then with the relevant
authorisations they can already, and have for some time been tracking
vehicles.... nothing new there.

Does the OP carry a mobile phone I wonder... or use the internet for
communications?

Lee D


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Old 08-19-2005, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

If you do not sabotage the device, and if it can be fitted to all vehicles
regardless of age, I still think this is hype.


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"Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:43060201$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-
>
> On Radio 2 today.
> The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS based
> tracking, charging and monitoring system.
> The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3 metres,
> speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are committed to bringing
> the system in. It will allow charging for every journey. Automatic

speeding
> fines. Multiple fines on a single journey. 12 points easily racked up in a
> few miles. Position of every vehicle known with the press of a button.
>
> Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government removes all
> your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>



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Old 08-19-2005, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Larry wrote:

> If you do not sabotage the device, and if it can be fitted to all vehicles
> regardless of age, I still think this is hype.
>
>


Sudden visions of fitting it to old Positive Earth motors and it going
"PHUT*

Hehehe...

P.
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Old 08-19-2005, 15:02   #7 (permalink)
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"Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:43060201$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-
>
> On Radio 2 today.
> The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS

based
> tracking, charging and monitoring system.
> The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3

metres,
> speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are committed to

bringing
> the system in. It will allow charging for every journey. Automatic

speeding
> fines. Multiple fines on a single journey. 12 points easily racked

up in a
> few miles. Position of every vehicle known with the press of a

button.
>
> Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government

removes all
> your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>


I wonder if there will be a positive earth version for my Healey 3000
<GGGGGGGGGG>

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Old 08-19-2005, 15:02   #8 (permalink)
Larry
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Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

Well for all we know, some fundamentalist militia in the good ol US of A is
planning to shoot them "damn yankee" satellites out of the sky :)



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"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:b97ffc9c4d%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message <43060201$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
> "Peter" <peterf.zipcaplen@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no civil liberty issue
> there.
>
> You didn't mention the bit about 15 years to introduction, by then
> the media will have done the dirty work for the Government (i.e.
> the propaganda as used in the anti-smoking, anti-hunting, the
> latest anti-shooting, anti 4x4, etc etc) so all the bleeding hearts
> will welcome it's introduction.
>
> Being a smoker, having no view on hunting either way except hating
> anti's, not having a problem with shooting (on our estate it should
> be positively encouraged) and driving a 4x4 all I can say is
> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my pleasures were under
> threat, so why should I care about their problems.
>
> Richard
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems



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Old 08-22-2005, 01:01   #9 (permalink)
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>>>>> "beamendsltd" == beamendsltd <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> writes:

beamendsltd> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no
beamendsltd> civil liberty issue there.

It is when you are forced to supply the evidence for your own
conviction.

I refer to the process whereby you have to sign and return the "Notice
of Intended Prosecution" (NIP) to confirm that you were driving.

If you were legally obliged to provide evidence against yourself in a
real trial, you'd get off on the grounds that the evidence
contradicted the European Convention on Human Rights.

beamendsltd> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my
beamendsltd> pleasures were under threat, so why should I care
beamendsltd> about their problems.

Well, that's exactly the attitude that lead to no-one caring about
your pleasures in the first place. I agree though - even though I'm
about as anti-smoking as you can get without throwing buckets of water
at people, I don't advocate banning it, simply because there are too
many people in this world that want to ban everything they don't like.

While I'm aginst the rigid enforcement of speed limits - it leads to
poor concentration and bad driving - this is a much bigger issue. I
can't see ANYONE being in favour that lets the government track the
whereabouts of every individual in the country. It's only then a
matter of time before this becomes admissable as evidence in court.
And then, as with speeding, it will be up to the registered keeper to
prove that someone else was driving, or they take the rap.

Andy


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Old 08-22-2005, 02:01   #10 (permalink)
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AndyC the WB <spam@cunningham.me.uk> wrote:

> >>>>> "beamendsltd" == beamendsltd <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> writes:

>
> beamendsltd> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no
> beamendsltd> civil liberty issue there.
>
> It is when you are forced to supply the evidence for your own
> conviction.
>
> I refer to the process whereby you have to sign and return the "Notice
> of Intended Prosecution" (NIP) to confirm that you were driving.
>
> If you were legally obliged to provide evidence against yourself in a
> real trial, you'd get off on the grounds that the evidence
> contradicted the European Convention on Human Rights.


Ah the Good 'Old European Convention on Human Rights, an excellent
process for protecting the guilty from the innocent.

>
> beamendsltd> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my
> beamendsltd> pleasures were under threat, so why should I care
> beamendsltd> about their problems.
>
> Well, that's exactly the attitude that lead to no-one caring about
> your pleasures in the first place.


That attitude has only come about recently - I have always been
at the front of the queue to defend peoples right to do as they
choose (within society's "norms") - but I've had enough. I'm going to be
stopped from going to the pub (or anywhere else) in three years time,
I'm being told my car is unacceptable, I'm being told where and when
I can drive, I'm being told what colour front door I can have (well,
if I lived in the Peak Park I would), I'm being told what I can
and can't eat, I'm being told what utensils I shold have in my kitchen,
etc etc - so now bugger 'em I say - and when they moan about their
rights being infringed I just laugh - they've got it comming!

>I agree though - even though I'm
> about as anti-smoking as you can get without throwing buckets of water
> at people, I don't advocate banning it, simply because there are too
> many people in this world that want to ban everything they don't like.


But I don't hear you actively defening ones right to make ones
own choices - inactivity is effectively being anti - without wishing to
inclur Goodwins Law, inactivity allowed events in Europe to happen
in the 30's, and is allowing the nanny state to take over here - one is
either a supporter of an individuals rights (and resposibilities) or
not - being selective about which rights to support or not just
opens the back door....

>
> While I'm aginst the rigid enforcement of speed limits - it leads to
> poor concentration and bad driving - this is a much bigger issue. I
> can't see ANYONE being in favour that lets the government track the
> whereabouts of every individual in the country. It's only then a
> matter of time before this becomes admissable as evidence in court.
> And then, as with speeding, it will be up to the registered keeper to
> prove that someone else was driving, or they take the rap.


I've nothing to hide, so no problem. The Goverenment has always
been able to track us, they are just getting faster and more accurate.
Indeed, it has many plusses - if my motor is knicked it would be a lot
easier to find. If I was suspected of being involved in a crime I could
demonstate my whereabouts (or at least that of my car) - equally, if
I wanted to disappear I could just catch a bus (and not use my mobile,
or credit cards!).

>
> Andy
>
>


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