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Old 12-27-2005, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
Larry
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A sence of proportion

Given the recent big brother posts

I wonder in reality, over the next five years, what proportion of us will
actually be languishing in jail, or under the sod as the result of
overzealous policing, or terrorist activity.

Or how many of us will be banned from driving our pride and joys

Maybe if bird flu catches on there won't even be enough police left to
operate all those cameras, which will rust on the poles.

I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the ever rising
costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own passion and coming a
cropper in our landies.


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Old 12-27-2005, 18:01   #2 (permalink)
Karen Gallagher
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Re: A sence of proportion

Larry wrote:
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>
> I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the ever
> rising costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own passion and
> coming a cropper in our landies.


Ah, what a way to go :)

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Old 12-28-2005, 12:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

> > I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the ever
> > rising costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own passion and
> > coming a cropper in our landies.

>
> Ah, what a way to go :)


Just to show how stupid it's all becoming, my parents in Kent have received
notice from the council that they will be fined 50 if they put their
rubbish out too early.

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Old 12-28-2005, 13:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:doul6a$anr$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> > I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the ever
>> > rising costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own passion and
>> > coming a cropper in our landies.

>>
>> Ah, what a way to go :)

>
> Just to show how stupid it's all becoming, my parents in Kent have
> received
> notice from the council that they will be fined 50 if they put their
> rubbish out too early.
>
> TonyB
>

Perhaps they should put it out too late......


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Old 12-28-2005, 14:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

Jon wrote:
> "TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:doul6a$anr$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>> I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the
>>>> ever rising costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own
>>>> passion and coming a cropper in our landies.
>>>
>>> Ah, what a way to go :)

>>
>> Just to show how stupid it's all becoming, my parents in Kent have
>> received
>> notice from the council that they will be fined 50 if they put their
>> rubbish out too early.
>>
>> TonyB
>>

> Perhaps they should put it out too late......


Or they could put it out in a wheelie bin so that the dogs and birds don't
pull it all over the neighbourhood. Some areas look like slums of the
inhabitants own making. Someone has to draw the line as to what is
acceptable and what is not and putting rubbish out in a way that will
minimise inconvenience and 'environmental pollution' has a direct influence
on the quality of life of all the locals. It is a pity if some sensitive
souls take exception to this but maybe they should grow up or get up
earlier.

Huw


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Old 12-28-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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Huw wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>>"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:doul6a$anr$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>
>>>>>I think most likely the biggest danger to any of us, besides the
>>>>>ever rising costs of motoring, is being the victim of our own
>>>>>passion and coming a cropper in our landies.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, what a way to go :)
>>>
>>>Just to show how stupid it's all becoming, my parents in Kent have
>>>received
>>>notice from the council that they will be fined 50 if they put their
>>>rubbish out too early.
>>>
>>>TonyB
>>>

>>
>>Perhaps they should put it out too late......

>
> Or they could put it out in a wheelie bin so that the dogs and birds don't
> pull it all over the neighbourhood. Some areas look like slums of the
> inhabitants own making. Someone has to draw the line as to what is
> acceptable and what is not and putting rubbish out in a way that will
> minimise inconvenience and 'environmental pollution' has a direct influence
> on the quality of life of all the locals. It is a pity if some sensitive
> souls take exception to this but maybe they should grow up or get up
> earlier.
>
> Huw


Unfortunately I think that the fact that the rubbish is in a wheelie bin
makes no difference - it's still classed as 'too early'.

I must be a sensitive soul because I'm utterly sick of these
'jobsworth's' filling our lives with their petty rules. If they were
just to get on and do their own jobs properly there would be no need for
any of them.

Just like the present Government, of course.
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Old 12-28-2005, 14:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

Huw wrote:

> Or they could put it out in a wheelie bin so that the dogs and birds don't
> pull it all over the neighbourhood.


Well, no, there is at least one authority in the Uk which has threatened
people for putting out their Wheelie bins too early - Brighton ?

Steve
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Old 12-28-2005, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

>
>Or they could put it out in a wheelie bin so that the dogs and birds don't
>pull it all over the neighbourhood. Some areas look like slums of the
>inhabitants own making. Someone has to draw the line as to what is
>acceptable and what is not and putting rubbish out in a way that will
>minimise inconvenience and 'environmental pollution' has a direct influence
>on the quality of life of all the locals. It is a pity if some sensitive
>souls take exception to this but maybe they should grow up or get up
>earlier.
>
>Huw
>


Councils are increasingly tightening up on collection regimes. We are
now on fortnightly refuse collection and some areas are now issuing
smaller bins to small households. There is, believe it or not, a
black market in large bins! If you get your waste collected
fortnightly and you are away for a long weekend, it's very tempting to
put your bin out a few days early before you leave.

It's all going full circle. Waste collections are subcontracted to
commercial operators who allow their crews to determine their own
hours. They can forego breaks etc to finish earlier. This has lead
to instances of crews starting work at stupid o'clock so they can
finish late morning and go off to second jobs. Several councils are
using or evaluating GPS to police this, with start times limited to
7am or thereabouts. It also allows them to ban crews from major
routes during rush-hour and resolve complaints.

One of the problems now is of 'assisted collections'. If you are
disabled you can get the council to instruct the crew to collect your
bin from inside the garden or even from inside your house. As
collections get earlier more people register for this. Rounds take
longer, crews start earlier and earlier etc etc etc....

Technology will ultimately allow billing by weight, and my company is
involved in a few small scale trials of different methods. It will be
possible to have flexible collections on a 'pay as you go' basis.
Credit for recyclables and debit for waste. The unresolved problem is
'theft' of waste between neighbours.






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Old 12-28-2005, 14:01   #9 (permalink)
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OT: Rubbish - was: [Re: A sence of proportion]

Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>> "TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:doul6a$anr$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>> ...
>>> Just to show how stupid it's all becoming, my parents in Kent have
>>> received
>>> notice from the council that they will be fined 50 if they put their
>>> rubbish out too early.
>>>
>>>

>> Perhaps they should put it out too late......

>
> Or they could put it out in a wheelie bin so that the dogs and birds
> don't
> pull it all over the neighbourhood. Some areas look like slums of the
> inhabitants own making. Someone has to draw the line as to what is
> acceptable and what is not and putting rubbish out in a way that will
> minimise inconvenience and 'environmental pollution' has a direct
> influence
> on the quality of life of all the locals. It is a pity if some
> sensitive
> souls take exception to this but maybe they should grow up or get up
> earlier.


That's what I like to see - throw all the responsibility onto consumers
and householders.

I bet I'm not the only one here old enough to remember that a complete
weeks worth of domestic rubbish from a family household would fit in a
single dustbin. Oh, but silly me - can't use dustbins any more in case
the poor dears hurt their backs lifting them .. and then they have to put
them back - what a chore it must be. Still, I understand there are still
career opportunities in the burger flipping trade.

Incidently, our local council (bless 'em) seem to have hit on a successful
tactic. Households are encouraged to place all food waste in small
plastic bin-boxes (the click-on lid type). Since we've been using this
system the vermin have not bothered our trash at all. Means one needs two
bins in the kitchen though. Probably worth doing even if your local
bin-man doesn't maintain "a recycle for compost" section in his cart.

Personally, I'd be more than happy to burn all combustable waste and
compost the food etc. The remainder[1] I'd gladly consider returning to
the damn fools that manufactured it.

Example of one: today I needed a thermocouple for the gas boiler[2] - the
packaging is more bulky and heavier than the item.

[1] glass and other recyclables excepted
[2] Why do they always give up in the middle of a cold snap?
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Old 12-28-2005, 15:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: A sence of proportion

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Technology will ultimately allow billing by weight


What's the betting that any legislation associated with such a regime
would specify a minimum weight (mass, if one is going to be pedantic)
thereby effectively penalising those of us who generate little rubbbish.

Just like the council tax does for those living alone.
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