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Old 08-17-2005, 02:01   #1 (permalink)
ChelseaTractor
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Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

I decided I needed to replace my tyres, and found some well priced
tubeless, which I now have on my old inner tubes & rims. After several
years without punctures on my old tyres, I have suffered five in the
the past 2 months.

The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?

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Old 08-17-2005, 03:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

On or around 17 Aug 2005 01:36:05 -0700, "ChelseaTractor"
<junk@made-interactive.com> enlightened us thusly:

>I decided I needed to replace my tyres, and found some well priced
>tubeless, which I now have on my old inner tubes & rims. After several
>years without punctures on my old tyres, I have suffered five in the
>the past 2 months.
>
>The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
>rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
>But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?


get the tyres off, give the rims a damned good clean, and preferably pain
'em inside as well.

Loose rust flakes cna be sharp; replacing tyres can loosen flakes...

You can put "Wolf" rims on it, of course, which will let you run tubeless if
you want. Cleaning the rims whoudl work equally well. Decent tyre-fitter
should have done that, of course, rather than leave crud in there to wear
holes in the tubes.
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Old 08-17-2005, 05:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

so ChelseaTractor was, like...
> I decided I needed to replace my tyres, and found some well priced
> tubeless, which I now have on my old inner tubes & rims. After
> several years without punctures on my old tyres, I have suffered five
> in the the past 2 months.
>
> The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
> rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
> But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?


Generally, most tubeless tyres should not be fitted with tubes at all AIUI.
The inside of the tyre can abrade the tube and lead to - well, several
punctures in 2 months... If you've invested in new tyres, go the whole hog
and get tubeless rims as well.

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Old 08-17-2005, 05:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

In message <ik06g1ti3ihe5ojvepookiejpmeaefknci@4ax.com>
Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

> On or around 17 Aug 2005 01:36:05 -0700, "ChelseaTractor"
> <junk@made-interactive.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >I decided I needed to replace my tyres, and found some well priced
> >tubeless, which I now have on my old inner tubes & rims. After several
> >years without punctures on my old tyres, I have suffered five in the
> >the past 2 months.
> >
> >The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
> >rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
> >But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?

>
> get the tyres off, give the rims a damned good clean, and preferably pain
> 'em inside as well.
>
> Loose rust flakes cna be sharp; replacing tyres can loosen flakes...
>
> You can put "Wolf" rims on it, of course, which will let you run tubeless if
> you want. Cleaning the rims whoudl work equally well. Decent tyre-fitter
> should have done that, of course, rather than leave crud in there to wear
> holes in the tubes.


Noting that Wolf rins are available in tubed or tubeless format.
Personaly I always have tubes as well on my vehicles - the only proviso
being that "the little rubber grommety thing" (which most tyre places
have never heard of) must be fitted round the valve. I've not had
any problem with punctures, but then Kevin The Tyre always cleans
the rims with a soft wire brush and air line before fitting.

Richard
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Old 08-17-2005, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:55:32 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<newsboy@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Generally, most tubeless tyres should not be fitted with tubes at all AIUI.


My understanding also, but this was largely die to poorer heat
dissipation from the tube.

>The inside of the tyre can abrade the tube and lead to - well, several
>punctures in 2 months...


The army smothered mine with chalk, as a lubricant I suppose, I caught
my first puncture for years last month, a piece of loose rust had
gradually abraded a hole in the tube.

I prefer tubless where ever possible nowadays as if they do puncture
they go down more gently.

AJH
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Old 08-17-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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>
> Noting that Wolf rins are available in tubed or tubeless format.
> Personaly I always have tubes as well on my vehicles - the only proviso
> being that "the little rubber grommety thing" (which most tyre places
> have never heard of) must be fitted round the valve. I've not had
> any problem with punctures, but then Kevin The Tyre always cleans
> the rims with a soft wire brush and air line before fitting.
>
> Richard
> --

As the saying goes "never leave home without".....an inner tube in
your tyre and a spare one in the box. You can fix 99% of punctures
with a tube, even if the sidewall has been staked you can improvise
a patch and use a tube to get going.


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Old 08-17-2005, 14:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

beamendsltd wrote:

> Noting that Wolf rins are available in tubed or tubeless format.
> Personaly I always have tubes as well on my vehicles - the only proviso
> being that "the little rubber grommety thing" (which most tyre places
> have never heard of) must be fitted round the valve.


Based on my experience on what appear to be Wolf rims (not readily
available here but I have a set that arrived on a vehicle) - If the
correct inner tube is used (with a TR15 valve) the grommet thing it not
needed - it is only used to adapt TR13 valves to the 5/8" hole used in
these rims.

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Old 08-17-2005, 17:02   #8 (permalink)
willie@macleod-group.com
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Re: Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

I wouldn't recommend using Wolf rims on a series, I believe you would
find that the studs aren't long enough to even pull flush to the wheel
nut. My experiance anyway with Wolf rims on a late 80's 110. New
studs are rather steep at around ten pounds each....

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Old 08-18-2005, 03:01   #9 (permalink)
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> The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
> rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
> But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?


Thanks folks. Confusingly, I had a chat with my friendly local LR parts
supplier, and he said there is no such thing as a (specifically)
tubeless rim. He suggests just pulling out inner tube, and maintains
that the valve "grommet thingy" will work on my old bog standard rims.
Is he right? I guess I'll go and find out, but meanwhile, opinions are
welcome.

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Old 08-18-2005, 04:01   #10 (permalink)
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ChelseaTractor wrote:
>>The boys at my local tyre shop say it's the rims (which are pretty
>>rusty inside, I admit), and I should replace them with tubeless rims.
>>But if the problem is the rims, why only now with the new tyres?

>
>
> Thanks folks. Confusingly, I had a chat with my friendly local LR parts
> supplier, and he said there is no such thing as a (specifically)
> tubeless rim. He suggests just pulling out inner tube, and maintains
> that the valve "grommet thingy" will work on my old bog standard rims.
> Is he right? I guess I'll go and find out, but meanwhile, opinions are
> welcome.
>

He's wrong, it's dangerous. More on this tomorrow (my time) when I'm
not on the wrong end of a hard day's work, my business partner's brother
hasn't just died, and I'm not drinking scotch.

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