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Old 11-17-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
amir
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Spare wheel holder - Help

Hello,
'99 Discovery II
Few days ago I bolted the spare tire holder off the tailgate in order
to clean off the rust and re-paint it. It was bolted using using six
10mm bolts. Now, I can not put it back on. I am guessing there were
somethings that the bolts were connecting to which havefallen inside
the tailgate.
Do I need to take out the tailgate panel (from inside) to get to them?
if so how?
Thanks.

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Old 11-18-2005, 00:01   #2 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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On or around 17 Nov 2005 17:56:34 -0800, "amir" <AmirHaghgooie@gmail.com>
enlightened us thusly:

>Hello,
>'99 Discovery II
>Few days ago I bolted the spare tire holder off the tailgate in order
>to clean off the rust and re-paint it. It was bolted using using six
>10mm bolts. Now, I can not put it back on. I am guessing there were
>somethings that the bolts were connecting to which havefallen inside
>the tailgate.
>Do I need to take out the tailgate panel (from inside) to get to them?
>if so how?
>Thanks.


When I did this job on a disco 1 I think I found that they just have nuts on
the inside.

panel comes off by removing any handles etc. then going round carefully
unpopping the plastic fasteners. Tip-of-the-day: buy a supply of new
plastic fasteners before you start, 'cos inevitably some will break.
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face by frightening people in the street.
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Spare wheel holder - Help


Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around 17 Nov 2005 17:56:34 -0800, "amir" <AmirHaghgooie@gmail.com>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Hello,
> >'99 Discovery II
> >Few days ago I bolted the spare tire holder off the tailgate in order
> >to clean off the rust and re-paint it. It was bolted using using six
> >10mm bolts. Now, I can not put it back on. I am guessing there were
> >somethings that the bolts were connecting to which havefallen inside
> >the tailgate.
> >Do I need to take out the tailgate panel (from inside) to get to them?
> >if so how?
> >Thanks.

>
> When I did this job on a disco 1 I think I found that they just have nuts on
> the inside.
>
> panel comes off by removing any handles etc. then going round carefully
> unpopping the plastic fasteners. Tip-of-the-day: buy a supply of new
> plastic fasteners before you start, 'cos inevitably some will break.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
> face by frightening people in the street.
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.


Thanks Austin. I will try that.
Will the panel look as sealed as before taking it off? It has never
been opened.

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Old 11-18-2005, 13:01   #4 (permalink)
Richard Brookman
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Re: Spare wheel holder - Help

....and amir spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around 17 Nov 2005 17:56:34 -0800, "amir"
>> <AmirHaghgooie@gmail.com> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> '99 Discovery II
>>> Few days ago I bolted the spare tire holder off the tailgate in
>>> order to clean off the rust and re-paint it. It was bolted using
>>> using six 10mm bolts. Now, I can not put it back on. I am guessing
>>> there were somethings that the bolts were connecting to which
>>> havefallen inside the tailgate.
>>> Do I need to take out the tailgate panel (from inside) to get to
>>> them? if so how?
>>> Thanks.

>>
>> When I did this job on a disco 1 I think I found that they just have
>> nuts on the inside.
>>
>> panel comes off by removing any handles etc. then going round
>> carefully unpopping the plastic fasteners. Tip-of-the-day: buy a
>> supply of new plastic fasteners before you start, 'cos inevitably
>> some will break. --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your
>> authentic
>> face by frightening people in the street.
>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

>
> Thanks Austin. I will try that.
> Will the panel look as sealed as before taking it off? It has never
> been opened.


Can't speak for the Disco II, but I've just replaced the one on my Disco I
and it wasn't too bad a job to do. The six bolts screw into nuts on the
inside which are not held in any way, so they will fall down the inside.
You have to remove the inside panel (Austin's advice on fasteners is sound,
although I got away with it) and if you have speakers in the door you will
may to remove them, but no big deal. On the Disco I some of the nuts are a
bit hard to get to and I ended up using various bits of wire etc to hold
them as I put the bolts in from the outside. An assistant would have been
very useful, but she was busy. The plastic sheet inside is held on with
sealant and you will probably rip it, so have some sealant handy (I used
clear bathroom sealant) to fix it back in place and make sure it's shedding
any water that gets inside in the right direction. If you work carefully,
both getting the panel off and putting it back on (wallop with heel of hand
is the best way to get the fasteners back in) and you won't know it's been
off.

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Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


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Old 11-19-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Spare wheel holder - Help

"Richard Brookman" <newsboy@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Can't speak for the Disco II, but I've just replaced the one on my Disco I
> and it wasn't too bad a job to do. The six bolts screw into nuts on the
> inside which are not held in any way, so they will fall down the inside.
> You have to remove the inside panel (Austin's advice on fasteners is
> sound, although I got away with it) and if you have speakers in the door
> you will may to remove them, but no big deal. On the Disco I some of the
> nuts are a bit hard to get to and I ended up using various bits of wire
> etc to hold them as I put the bolts in from the outside. An assistant
> would have been very useful, but she was busy. The plastic sheet inside
> is held on with sealant and you will probably rip it, so have some sealant
> handy (I used clear bathroom sealant) to fix it back in place and make
> sure it's shedding any water that gets inside in the right direction. If
> you work carefully, both getting the panel off and putting it back on
> (wallop with heel of hand is the best way to get the fasteners back in)
> and you won't know it's been off.


Richard,

Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?

Lee D


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Old 11-20-2005, 03:01   #6 (permalink)
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....and Lee_D spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> "Richard Brookman" <newsboy@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3u6qbmFuvaotU1@individual.net...
>> Can't speak for the Disco II, but I've just replaced the one on my
>> Disco I and it wasn't too bad a job to do. The six bolts screw into
>> nuts on the inside which are not held in any way, so they will fall
>> down the inside. You have to remove the inside panel (Austin's
>> advice on fasteners is sound, although I got away with it) and if
>> you have speakers in the door you will may to remove them, but no
>> big deal. On the Disco I some of the nuts are a bit hard to get to
>> and I ended up using various bits of wire etc to hold them as I put
>> the bolts in from the outside. An assistant would have been very
>> useful, but she was busy. The plastic sheet inside is held on with
>> sealant and you will probably rip it, so have some sealant handy (I
>> used clear bathroom sealant) to fix it back in place and make sure
>> it's shedding any water that gets inside in the right direction. If
>> you work carefully, both getting the panel off and putting it back
>> on (wallop with heel of hand is the best way to get the fasteners
>> back in) and you won't know it's been off.

>
> Richard,
>
> Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?
>
> Lee D


I replaced it with one from a scrapper that I cleaned and repainted. The
old one had one of the three studs missing, and it was easier to swap.
Funnily enough, on the "new" one, one of the studs is different from the
others and has been welded in. Must be a common problem. Works, though. I
still have the old "2-stud" version - it's joined the ton of scrap behind
the shed that Di keeps reminding me to take to the tip.

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Rich
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Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


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Old 11-20-2005, 08:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Spare wheel holder - Help

Lee_D wrote:


>
> Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?


There's one on the Corpse if you want one Lee.

Steve
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:01   #8 (permalink)
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On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:46:52 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<newsboy@nowhere.com> enlightened us thusly:

>...and Lee_D spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>>
>> Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?
>>
>> Lee D

>
>I replaced it with one from a scrapper that I cleaned and repainted. The
>old one had one of the three studs missing, and it was easier to swap.
>Funnily enough, on the "new" one, one of the studs is different from the
>others and has been welded in. Must be a common problem. Works, though. I
>still have the old "2-stud" version - it's joined the ton of scrap behind
>the shed that Di keeps reminding me to take to the tip.


They all do that guvnor. I was getting mine off in order to weld the stud
back in.
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Old 11-20-2005, 15:01   #9 (permalink)
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"Steve" <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Lee_D wrote:


>> Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?

>
> There's one on the Corpse if you want one Lee.
>
> Steve


I've yet to take a good look...just the tell tale smidging of rust on the
bumper when the back door is shut. Thought it may be a regular replacement
item I didn't know about. I will have a butchers though if only to lube up
the studs as they seem to be problematic from the way the thread suggests.,
what it snap/shear off.

Tomorrow is Mucky Monday, Morphs getting what he should have got last week
but I was having too much fun with the CCTV and my milk burglar instead.
Will check Oscar (Disco) once the knuckles heal up again.

Lee D


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Old 11-21-2005, 00:01   #10 (permalink)
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On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:30:40 -0000, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:

>"Steve" <steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:43809747$0$351$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Lee_D wrote:

>
>>> Did you replace it or refurb the existing one?

>>
>> There's one on the Corpse if you want one Lee.
>>
>> Steve

>
>I've yet to take a good look...just the tell tale smidging of rust on the
>bumper when the back door is shut. Thought it may be a regular replacement
>item I didn't know about. I will have a butchers though if only to lube up
>the studs as they seem to be problematic from the way the thread suggests.,
>what it snap/shear off.


I suspect that mostly they pull out of the holes. I further suspect that
the metal deforms due to tightening the nuts up too tight, which results in
the nut hitting the end of the thread, making it worser.

that's what happened to mine, anyway. hammered the thing flat again and
welded it up.
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