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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #1 (permalink)
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stage 1 diffs

I am now the proud owner of a STAGE 1 SAFARI ( I think that's what
it is, it says 109 on the log book but has a defender like front, can
anyone clear this up for me ??) :-)))))))) , it has had a good bit of
work done to the running gear but the body is a bit duff , so lots of
work to do on it . the previous owner has replaced the v8 with a
Perkins 3.3 diesel and change the gear box to a range rover 4 speed
manual , it has the original axles and diffs in and feels like it could
do with another gear when it blating along the motorway at 65 . as I
have a set of rangy diffs I was wondering if 1 would they fit ? 2 if
they did would this improve the top end ? or should I replace both
axles with range rover ones . next question is has anyone fitted a
power steering setup from a range rover to one of these ????

Thanks in advance fro your replies
Paul

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: stage 1 diffs

If it is a "stage 1" it SHOULD already have the same dif ratios as a
rangerover all tucked away in a Salisbury axel, and the 4 speed rangie box
was I believe standard fitting on the stage one.

Range rover axels won't fit without a LOT of work as the rangie is on coils
and the stage one is on leafs ( leaves ? )

Perkins 3.3l ( 4203 I assume) is a powerful engine tho rather agricultural
and revs out at about 2500 rpm i had one in a series 3 and it only ever
managed 55mph with standard gearing so 65 with rangie dif ratios sounds
about right

There was a thead on power steering a few days ago , that one should answer
that question

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #3 (permalink)
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Re: stage 1 diffs

In message <1118133219.637762.120200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"itcosthowmuch" <paul.moloney@aah.co.uk> wrote:

> I am now the proud owner of a STAGE 1 SAFARI ( I think that's what
> it is, it says 109 on the log book but has a defender like front, can
> anyone clear this up for me ??) :-))))))))


That's correct - except the grille should be a mesh type (very
rare S/H)

>, it has had a good bit of
> work done to the running gear but the body is a bit duff , so lots of
> work to do on it . the previous owner has replaced the v8 with a
> Perkins 3.3 diesel and change the gear box to a range rover 4 speed
> manual ,


That's as it should be - the Stage 1 had permanent 4WD.

> it has the original axles and diffs in and feels like it could
> do with another gear when it blating along the motorway at 65 . as I
> have a set of rangy diffs I was wondering if


It already has a Range Rover diff on the front, and a "Defender"
(Sailsbury) at the back.

> 1 would they fit ?

Not in the rear, being a Sailsbury axle.

>2 if they did would this improve the top end ? or should I replace both
> axles with range rover ones .


The ratios are the same.

> next question is has anyone fitted a
> power steering setup from a range rover to one of these ????
>


It's not a straighforward operation - the Stage I chassis is a
slightly modified Series 109", not Range Rover.

> Thanks in advance fro your replies
> Paul
>


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #4 (permalink)
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>> next question is has anyone fitted a
>> power steering setup from a range rover to one of these ????
>>

>
>It's not a straighforward operation - the Stage I chassis is a
>slightly modified Series 109", not Range Rover.
>


Is the chassis much different from an early one-ten? some of them had
power steering.


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #5 (permalink)
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In message <ftkba1pbvck62arf3neeod8ump3i77aove@4ax.com>, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> writes
>Is the chassis much different from an early one-ten? some of them had
>power steering.



As different as any 110 is from a SIII.

The 109 V8 however has a different steering relay than other Series
vehicles. It does not pass through the front chassis member. From the
look of it with a bit of messing you could fit a PAS box to it. Much
better than those god awful PAS kits you get that use a ram. It still
would be a lot of work. But a better solution. Even with a small
steering wheel I never thought that the steering on my stage one was
that heavy.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #6 (permalink)
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Re: stage 1 diffs

Even with a small
> steering wheel I never thought that the steering on my stage one was
> that heavy.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:33   #7 (permalink)
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itcosthowmuch wrote:

> I am now the proud owner of a STAGE 1 SAFARI ( I think that's what
> it is, it says 109 on the log book but has a defender like front, can
> anyone clear this up for me ??) :-)))))))) , it has had a good bit of
> work done to the running gear but the body is a bit duff , so lots of
> work to do on it . the previous owner has replaced the v8 with a
> Perkins 3.3 diesel and change the gear box to a range rover 4 speed
> manual , it has the original axles and diffs in and feels like it could
> do with another gear when it blating along the motorway at 65 . as I
> have a set of rangy diffs I was wondering if 1 would they fit ? 2 if
> they did would this improve the top end ? or should I replace both
> axles with range rover ones . next question is has anyone fitted a
> power steering setup from a range rover to one of these ????
>
> Thanks in advance fro your replies
> Paul


See Richard's reply. The Stage 1 had the same gearbox and drive system as
the Range Rover, but its own axles. The transfer gear high ratio is
unsuitable for that engine - you would do better with the one fitted to the
Australian Isuzu engined Stage 1 and 110 - sorry, I don't have part
numbers. You could possibly fit a Range Rover overdrive - it would fit,
but may not stand up to the Perkins - they don't stand up to the Isuzu.
The steering will be suffering from the engine being a lot heavier than the
original, but even so, the steering should not be too bad provided the
tyres are the original size and correct pressure.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #8 (permalink)
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In message <MRr6zGOPddpCFwLf@mdeng.demon.co.uk>
Marc Draper <marc@mdeng.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <ftkba1pbvck62arf3neeod8ump3i77aove@4ax.com>, MVP
> <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> writes
> >Is the chassis much different from an early one-ten? some of them had
> >power steering.

>
>
> As different as any 110 is from a SIII.
>


The Stage 1 chassis is a slight variation on the SIII 109,
it has very little in common with the 110.

<snip>


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:34   #9 (permalink)
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:33:47 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote:

>In message <MRr6zGOPddpCFwLf@mdeng.demon.co.uk>
> Marc Draper <marc@mdeng.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <ftkba1pbvck62arf3neeod8ump3i77aove@4ax.com>, MVP
>> <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> writes
>> >Is the chassis much different from an early one-ten? some of them had
>> >power steering.

>>
>>
>> As different as any 110 is from a SIII.
>>

>
>The Stage 1 chassis is a slight variation on the SIII 109,
>it has very little in common with the 110.
>
><snip>


Thinking about it now it makes sense that the early one-ten chassis is
more range rover than anything else.


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