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Old 11-20-2005, 09:01   #1 (permalink)
Andrew Mawson
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Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

Got my big (100KVA) generator yesterday which has a Ford 2704ET 6
litre 6 cylinder turbo charged diesel engine driving it. Always said
I'd NEVER have a Ford and now I have one!!! Seems that these engines
are quite common in boats and Combine Harvesters <G>

Was very surprised that it has no heater plugs (at least not that I
can see) so starting it this morning in sub zero temeratures took a
bit of time - especialy as the battery, though newish, was by no means
fully charged. Huge cloud of black smoke when finally started but then
ran like a (very noisey) dream when the excess fuel had cleared.

Any tips for starting what is basically a lorry engine with no heater
plugs ?

AWEM


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Old 11-20-2005, 09:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

andrew , has it not got a pin on the injector pump that you have to
push in whilst having throttle fully down , for cold starting .

it may have one but im not entirely sure .

the genny i had at work is 150kva , fiat engine .

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Old 11-20-2005, 09:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:26:12 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew Mawson" <andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk> said:

> Was very surprised that it has no heater plugs (at least not that I
> can see)


Perkins agricultural engines used to use a "glow plug" like device in
the air intake - a coil of resistance wire which as it got hot opened
a valve which allowed diesel to flow onto it, bursting into flames.

> Any tips for starting what is basically a lorry engine with no
> heater plugs ?


Point a hot air gun down the air intake. Alternatively, if you don't
have 240V nearby, use a blowtorch.

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Old 11-20-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

Alan J. Wylie wrote:

>Alternatively, if you don't
> have 240V nearby, use a blowtorch.
>


If he HAD 240 V nearby he wouldn't need a bloomin' generator....
;-)
Steve
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Old 11-20-2005, 10:02   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

On Sunday 20 November 2005 16:26, Andrew Mawson
[andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk] wrote in message
<dlq834$s1c$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>

> Got my big (100KVA) generator yesterday which has a Ford 2704ET 6
> litre 6 cylinder turbo charged diesel engine driving it. Always said
> I'd NEVER have a Ford and now I have one!!! Seems that these engines
> are quite common in boats and Combine Harvesters <G>


Possibly it has an inlet heater like some of the Perkins 4203 diesel
engines. Failing that, a goodly squirt of Easy Start.

The ignition switch on my old Perkins has a two-position ignition switch.
Turn it partway for a count of ten (20 if really frosty) then turn it fully
to start cranking the engine.

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Old 11-20-2005, 10:02   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

>>Alternatively, if you don't
>> have 240V nearby, use a blowtorch.
>>

>
> If he HAD 240 V nearby he wouldn't need a bloomin' generator....
> ;-)
>

Well use the 240v from the genny to power the hot air gun.
Bloody hell, some people are just so stupid.


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Old 11-20-2005, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

> Got my big (100KVA) generator yesterday which has a Ford 2704ET 6
> litre 6 cylinder turbo charged diesel engine driving it. Always said
> I'd NEVER have a Ford and now I have one!!! Seems that these engines
> are quite common in boats and Combine Harvesters <G>
>
> Was very surprised that it has no heater plugs (at least not that I
> can see) so starting it this morning in sub zero temeratures took a
> bit of time - especialy as the battery, though newish, was by no means
> fully charged. Huge cloud of black smoke when finally started but then
> ran like a (very noisey) dream when the excess fuel had cleared.
>
> Any tips for starting what is basically a lorry engine with no heater
> plugs ?
>

There will be some sort of cold start device on there somewhere, if it is a
Dover engine, as used in the Ford Cargo, then the cold start will on the
fuel pump, in the form of a small button coming out of the middle of the
engine stop lever on the side of the fuel pump, or it will have a
electrically operated cold start, in which case there will be a small
solenoid instead of the plunger.
In either case they are operated in the same way, make sure the stop lever
is set in the run position, set the throttle lever to max (it will probably
be held at max by the genny speed control when the engine is not running)
and operate the plunger. You should hear a clunk from inside the pump as the
fuel rail springs over to the excess fuel position. now start the engine, it
should crack up nicely no matter what the temperature. The plunger will
reset itself as soon as the engine reaches governed speed.


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Old 11-20-2005, 11:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

Alan is right. The thing he is referring to is a "Thermostart" not
("Thermostat" in case you thought that was a typo)
It fits in the inlet manifold and is fed tromp the spare outlet on the fuel
filter. These are about the most effective pre heaters - if a little
archaic). Get one from a Lucas CAV agent.


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Old 11-20-2005, 11:02   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

Alan is right. The thing he is referring to is a "Thermostart" not
("Thermostat" in case you thought that was a typo)
It fits in the inlet manifold and is fed FROM the spare outlet on the fuel
filter. These are about the most effective pre heaters - if a little
archaic). Get one from a Lucas CAV agent.

(Don't know where 'tromp' came from when I previously posted this!)


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Old 11-20-2005, 13:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Starting Diesels with no heater plugs

In message <dlqctj$bs2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, SimonJ
<me@mine.net> writes
>>>Alternatively, if you don't
>>> have 240V nearby, use a blowtorch.
>>>

>>
>> If he HAD 240 V nearby he wouldn't need a bloomin' generator....
>> ;-)
>>

>Well use the 240v from the genny to power the hot air gun.
>Bloody hell, some people are just so stupid.
>
>

.....here come the problem staters.
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