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Old 06-27-2005, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
Jon
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Steering Box Help Needed Please...

Hi all,

My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
and badly leaking steering box.

Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
chassis numbers...

I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.

Firstly New or Recon???

Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????

Please advise ASAP as I need to be backl on the road for the weekend.

Thanks
Jon
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Old 06-28-2005, 02:01   #2 (permalink)
Austin Shackles
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

On or around Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:21:44 +0000 (UTC), Jon
<jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi all,
>
>My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
>and badly leaking steering box.
>
>Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
>chassis numbers...
>
>I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
>and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
>
>Firstly New or Recon???
>
>Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
>one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
>should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????


someone had a link for decently-priced (FSVO decent) recon boxes. Might've
been a certain purple-101-owner.

ICBW, but I think you'll find that all the steering boxes fit all the
vehicles and the differnces only matter if you're trying to get parts for a
specific one.

There are differences in drop arms, but that's to do with the ball joint on
the end of 'em. I'm not sure that all the 90s don't have the same one
anyway.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
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Old 06-28-2005, 04:01   #3 (permalink)
beamendsltd
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

In message <j7r0c19ueu27e32ffssolviopelb5bdasv@4ax.com>
Jon <jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
> and badly leaking steering box.
>
> Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
> chassis numbers...
>
> I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
> and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
>
> Firstly New or Recon???
>
> Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
> one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
> should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????
>
> Please advise ASAP as I need to be backl on the road for the weekend.
>
> Thanks
> Jon


The seal kits are often a waste of time as the sector shaft (output
shaft) often gets a groove in it where the seal rubs. If there is
slot then a seal will do the trick (make sure you get a blue one).

A good recon is as good as a new one (ours have a 12 month
warranty - no failures yet!) if done properly.

There are three types of box, usually refferred to by the number
of bolts on the top - 3, 4 and 6-bolt. The 4 and 6-bolt types
are interchangeable (Metric pipe fittings), the 3-bolt is not.
If changing from a 6 to 4-bolt box the plumbing may or may not
reach to the required places - it depends on the particular
vehicle.

Richard
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Old 06-28-2005, 04:01   #4 (permalink)
Jon
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

Austin,

Many thanks. I have spoken to the nice gentleman at Adwest and there
is another one on its way to me.

Any pitfalls I need to be aware of regarding taking the old one off or
putting a new one back on??

I thought I would remove the rad / oil cooler assembly and intercooler
first simply to make access much easier but beyond that Ive bever had
the steering bits appart.

Thanks
Jon


On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:29:28 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:21:44 +0000 (UTC), Jon
><jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
>>and badly leaking steering box.
>>
>>Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
>>chassis numbers...
>>
>>I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
>>and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
>>
>>Firstly New or Recon???
>>
>>Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
>>one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
>>should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????

>
>someone had a link for decently-priced (FSVO decent) recon boxes. Might've
>been a certain purple-101-owner.
>
>ICBW, but I think you'll find that all the steering boxes fit all the
>vehicles and the differnces only matter if you're trying to get parts for a
>specific one.
>
>There are differences in drop arms, but that's to do with the ball joint on
>the end of 'em. I'm not sure that all the 90s don't have the same one
>anyway.


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Old 06-28-2005, 05:01   #5 (permalink)
Richard
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

our disco failed its mot a few years ago on a leaking box (output shaft) I
was told replacing the seals are a waste of time but thought I'd have a go
anyway. The hardest part was getting the drop arm off - my puller wouldnt
touch it so hired a 20T hydraulic one. That was four years ago and its still
not leaking.
Richard


"Jon" <jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:j7r0c19ueu27e32ffssolviopelb5bdasv@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
> and badly leaking steering box.
>
> Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
> chassis numbers...
>
> I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
> and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
>
> Firstly New or Recon???
>
> Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
> one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
> should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????
>
> Please advise ASAP as I need to be backl on the road for the weekend.
>
> Thanks
> Jon



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Old 06-28-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
TonyB
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

Very droll Austin, I'm heading that way myself....

TonyB
(for the uninitiated "Those whom God wills to destroy he first deprives of
their senses")
"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
news:8g22c1d44sjb74q44p6fv5e9t436kpbui7@4ax.com...
> On or around Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:21:44 +0000 (UTC), Jon
> <jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
> >and badly leaking steering box.
> >
> >Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
> >chassis numbers...
> >
> >I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
> >and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
> >
> >Firstly New or Recon???
> >
> >Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
> >one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
> >should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????

>
> someone had a link for decently-priced (FSVO decent) recon boxes.

Might've
> been a certain purple-101-owner.
>
> ICBW, but I think you'll find that all the steering boxes fit all the
> vehicles and the differnces only matter if you're trying to get parts for

a
> specific one.
>
> There are differences in drop arms, but that's to do with the ball joint

on
> the end of 'em. I'm not sure that all the 90s don't have the same one
> anyway.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
> Boswell's "Johnson".



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Old 06-28-2005, 15:01   #7 (permalink)
Richard Brookman
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...

so TonyB was, like...
> Very droll Austin, I'm heading that way myself....
>
> TonyB
> (for the uninitiated "Those whom God wills to destroy he first
> deprives of their senses")
> >> --

>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
>> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
>> Boswell's "Johnson".


Or, roughly, "those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad."

By giving her/him a Land Rover to play with.


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Old 07-01-2005, 04:02   #8 (permalink)
Jon
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Re: Steering Box Help Needed Please...Continued...

Thanks for the pointers and advice everyone. Once again, much
appreciated.

I now have a working steering pump and box (and an oily floor!!) and
perhamps most important a new MOT certificate!


However, I now have another question...

As well as replacing the pump and box I also had to nip up the
nearside front wheel bearing and also remove a shim from the same
corner (to stop my wheel flopping about!).

Since putting on the new box and pump my steering, although very
precise feels very light, especially when turning a corner -
Round-abouts feel like im steering on ice but the vichle doesnt break
away like on ice.

I have a feeling that this may be to do with pre load but arent sure.

I do not know what the pre-load is - just tightened / removed shims
until I had no wobble, I think it should be about 7kg - 9kg. All I
know is, with both wheels off the ground it takes both arms and a
degree of effort to move them from lock to lock.

Any thoughts or pointers please - I need to do something because I was
much happier driving with a floppy nearside front wheel and crappy
steering!

Thanks
Jon


On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:21:44 +0000 (UTC), Jon
<jonathan.kelly@nospam.lstc.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>My 200Tdi 90 has just failed its MOT on the knackered steering pump
>and badly leaking steering box.
>
>Steering pump isnt a problem because I can identify from engine and
>chassis numbers...
>
>I have been told that the seal kits are a waste of time for the boxes
>and that I should drop a new / recon unit in.
>
>Firstly New or Recon???
>
>Secondly, my existing box has 6 bolts on the top (is this a Gemmer
>one???), the Adwest (OEM) ones seem to have 4? Is there a difference,
>should I get another 6 bolt? How makes the 6 bolt ones????
>
>Please advise ASAP as I need to be backl on the road for the weekend.
>
>Thanks
>Jon


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