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Old 09-25-2005, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
TonyB
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Wheel shake

I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:

'92 Disco I Tdi 200:

At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole front
of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.

Here's the history:

New springs shocks and damper recently.
All tyres are pretty new.
Wheels balanced.
Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
Tracking OK.
Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
insistence!) -all OK.

When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was no
change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
not.

Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel when
the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set slightly
off centre to the right to drive straight.

Any thoughts?

TonyB

The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
rears are Kwikfits own brand.


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Old 09-25-2005, 07:04   #2 (permalink)
Tim Hobbs
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Re: Wheel shake

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:44:35 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
<Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote:

>I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
>'92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
>At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole front
>of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
>this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
>Here's the history:
>
>New springs shocks and damper recently.
>All tyres are pretty new.
>Wheels balanced.
>Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
>Tracking OK.
>Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
>insistence!) -all OK.
>
>When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
>problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was no
>change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
>improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
>not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
>not.
>
>Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel when
>the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set slightly
>off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>TonyB
>
>The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
>rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>


Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?

Not being funny, but my next move would be to go to a different garage
and have the wheel bearings and pre-load done again. The symptoms
sound bang on for pre-load.
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'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
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Old 09-25-2005, 08:01   #3 (permalink)
LR90
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Re: Wheel shake

Check panard rod bushes, I had this prob, felt like the motor was gonna fall
apart and it was down to this.

Regards, Roy.

"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dh663j$an4$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.
>
> When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
> problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was
> no
> change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
> improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
> not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
> not.
>
> Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel
> when
> the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set
> slightly
> off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> TonyB
>
> The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
> rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>
>



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Old 09-25-2005, 09:01   #4 (permalink)
Jack
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Re: Wheel shake


"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dh663j$an4$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.
>
> When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
> problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was
> no
> change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
> improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
> not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
> not.
>
> Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel
> when
> the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set
> slightly
> off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> TonyB
>
> The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
> rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>
>


I know you said you replaced it already but...

sound like the steering damper is bad. As another poster noted re-prime the
damper.


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Old 09-25-2005, 09:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Wheel shake

I had this on a 1950's truck with no steering damper found it to be worn out
king pin bearings changed these and it was spot on..back to normal

Rich


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Old 09-25-2005, 10:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Wheel shake

Tim Hobbs wrote:

>
> Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?


I'm just about to fit a new one to my 110, whats the exact priming procedure please??

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Old 09-25-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Wheel shake


"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dh663j$an4$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.


I had the same problem on my TDI, changed the same parts as you!

Had a chat with the dealer, who suggested even if they are tight, just nip
all the bolt's up on the steering shaft. Sure enough, don't know why but it
cured it..


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Old 09-25-2005, 12:01   #8 (permalink)
TonyB
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Re: Wheel shake

> I had the same problem on my TDI, changed the same parts as you!
>
> Had a chat with the dealer, who suggested even if they are tight, just nip
> all the bolt's up on the steering shaft. Sure enough, don't know why but

it
> cured it..



Thanks to all - the steering damper was not primed - at least not by me - it
seemed to be OK so I just fitted it.
Perhaps you could say what the priming procedure is please?

As for steering column nuts, well it sounds amazing but I'll give it a go -
it won't hurt and may even work!

My money was on the pre-loads as suggested but when the dealer says they're
OK it's hard to know if he's actually checked them!

Thanks again

TonyB


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Old 09-25-2005, 13:03   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Wheel shake


"TonyB" <Norfolk@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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Yeah! I thought he was pulling my leg too!
But it worked..


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Old 09-25-2005, 14:01   #10 (permalink)
EMB
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Re: Wheel shake

Nige wrote:
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>
>>Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?

>
>
> I'm just about to fit a new one to my 110, whats the exact priming procedure please??


Have it in a vertical orientation and move it back and forth thru it's
full travel until it moves smoothly.

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