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Old 11-07-2005, 07:01   #1 (permalink)
Fred Labrosse
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Yet another attempt...

All,

I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.

Is that serious? Anybody got more info?

Cheers,

Fred

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Old 11-07-2005, 11:01   #2 (permalink)
Simon Isaacs
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Re: Yet another attempt...

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:19:58 +0000, Fred Labrosse <ffl@aber.ac.uk>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>All,
>
>I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
>there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.
>
>Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Fred


Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
paper!
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Yet another attempt...

>
>>All,
>>
>>I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
>>there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.
>>
>>Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>
>>Cheers,


>
>Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>paper!


I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

Alex
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:01   #4 (permalink)
Paul - xxx
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Re: Re: Yet another attempt...

Alex came up with the following;:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>> roads.
>>>
>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>
>>> Cheers,

>
>>
>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>> paper!

>
> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.


We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
(that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less impact on
the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?

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Old 11-08-2005, 12:01   #5 (permalink)
Dougal
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Re: Yet another attempt...

Paul - xxx wrote:
> Alex came up with the following;:
>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>>> roads.
>>>>
>>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,

>>
>>
>>>
>>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>>> paper!

>>
>>
>> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
>> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

>
>
> We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
> green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
> (that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less
> impact on the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?


.... and consider what a mess horses make on soft ground.
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Old 11-08-2005, 13:01   #6 (permalink)
Alex
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>>>>>
>>>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>>>> roads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>>>
>>>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>>>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>>>> paper!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
>>> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

>>
>>
>> We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
>> green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
>> (that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less
>> impact on the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?

>
>... and consider what a mess horses make on soft ground.


Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
horses.

Alex
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Old 11-09-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Yet another attempt...

On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:

> Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
> or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
> horses.


The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.

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Old 11-09-2005, 13:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Yet another attempt...

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
>>or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
>>horses.

>
>
> The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
> that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
> Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
> from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
> horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
>



Falling for the old 'divide and conquer' routine that govt's. have been
using for centuries, to keep the peasants at each others throats, while
ignoring the fact it is the lawmakers who 'created' the problem in the
first place (by trying to restrict access).

Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why not
work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed for future
generations?

Iv'e already watched as firearms restrictions crippled that sport, and
hunting restrictions cause an uproar, but the bill was passed. Surely
it's time for all outdoors types to get together to try and save what
little rights you have left, and become one big lobby group, rather than
lots of little 'special interest' groups that get ignored?

Just wondering.....

Brian NZ

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Old 11-09-2005, 15:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Yet another attempt...

On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

> Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why
> not work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed
> for future generations?


Wouldn't that be nice? Unfortunately it won't happen, as an example I
read an article in "The Field" magazine about off-roading where it
talked about hordes of 4x4 users causing massive damage all over the
countryside, likened the sound of 4x4s to "a low-flying jet plane" and
said that to all 4x4 users, it's "all about the mud" and so on. This
is a magazine aimed at farmers, shooters and country wannabe types.
You'll not find a single soul who wants to team up with fat blokes in
diesel trucks!

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Old 11-09-2005, 15:01   #10 (permalink)
Brian
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Re: Yet another attempt...

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why
>>not work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed
>>for future generations?

>
>
> Wouldn't that be nice? Unfortunately it won't happen, as an example I
> read an article in "The Field" magazine about off-roading where it
> talked about hordes of 4x4 users causing massive damage all over the
> countryside, likened the sound of 4x4s to "a low-flying jet plane" and
> said that to all 4x4 users, it's "all about the mud" and so on. This
> is a magazine aimed at farmers, shooters and country wannabe types.
> You'll not find a single soul who wants to team up with fat blokes in
> diesel trucks!
>


Thats a real shame. All the farmers I know are only too willing to let
you drive/shoot on their property, as long as I phone them to make sure
no-one else is planning the same thing on the same day. Some of them
will even point you in the direction of their 'mud' to play in.

Next Wednesday I'm grabbing an old flatdeck Landcruiser and heading out
for some spotlight rabbit/possum shooting, across farmland.It should be
a fun night out with my boys (11 & 12) and a couple of mate's.

But I suppose NZ is years behind the UK when it comes to 4x4 access.

Like you say, it's inflammitory articles in magazines that people read
that give the wrong impression about 4x4's. People that write that type
of article often play the devil's advocate, just to try and get a
reaction, and have no 'real life' experiences of the things they write
about. Maybe you could contact the writer of the article and invite him
out to a 4x4 meeting, so he/she could see for themselves how much fun it
can be?

I'd love a landie that sounded like a low flying aircraft....I must
remember to remove any mufflers during a re-build.

You'll find heaps of company down here, where everyone teams up with fat
blokes in diesel trucks!

Brian NZ
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