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Yet another attempt...

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#1 ·
All,

I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.

Is that serious? Anybody got more info?

Cheers,

Fred
 
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#2 ·
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:19:58 +0000, Fred Labrosse <ffl@aber.ac.uk>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>All,
>
>I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
>there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.
>
>Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Fred


Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
paper!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis
 
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#3 ·
Re: Re: Yet another attempt...

>
>>All,
>>
>>I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph that
>>there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced roads.
>>
>>Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>
>>Cheers,


>
>Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>paper!


I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

Alex
 
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#4 ·
Re: Re: Yet another attempt...

Alex came up with the following;:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>> roads.
>>>
>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>
>>> Cheers,

>
>>
>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>> paper!

>
> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.


We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
(that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less impact on
the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
 
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#5 ·
Paul - xxx wrote:
> Alex came up with the following;:
>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>>> roads.
>>>>
>>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,

>>
>>
>>>
>>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>>> paper!

>>
>>
>> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
>> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

>
>
> We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
> green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
> (that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less
> impact on the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?


.... and consider what a mess horses make on soft ground.
 
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#6 ·
Re: Re: Yet another attempt...


>>>>>
>>>>> I just read in Saturday's motoring supplement of the Daily Telegraph
>>>>> that there's yet another attempt at banning 4x4 access to unsurfaced
>>>>> roads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that serious? Anybody got more info?
>>>>>
>>>> Its all part of the NERC bill, been going on for a while now, just the
>>>> TRF managed to get a press release published by one of the better
>>>> paper!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm past caring now. If they ban it I shall take a leaf out of the
>>> pro-hunt lobby's book and ignore it.

>>
>>
>> We already often do, though we do make sure that the lanes _are_ real
>> green-lanes or by-ways ... Not that I'm condoning anyone else doing it
>> (that's the legal get-out clause covered) but I figure I make less
>> impact on the lanes we drive with the Landrover than my bicycle so why not?

>
>... and consider what a mess horses make on soft ground.


Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
horses.

Alex
 
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#7 ·
On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:

> Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
> or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
> horses.


The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
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#8 ·
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
>>or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
>>horses.

>
>
> The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
> that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
> Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
> from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
> horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
>



Falling for the old 'divide and conquer' routine that govt's. have been
using for centuries, to keep the peasants at each others throats, while
ignoring the fact it is the lawmakers who 'created' the problem in the
first place (by trying to restrict access).

Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why not
work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed for future
generations?

Iv'e already watched as firearms restrictions crippled that sport, and
hunting restrictions cause an uproar, but the bill was passed. Surely
it's time for all outdoors types to get together to try and save what
little rights you have left, and become one big lobby group, rather than
lots of little 'special interest' groups that get ignored?

Just wondering.....

Brian NZ

SI LWB
SII LWB
S11A LWB x 2
SIII SWB (Nissan LD28 Diesel conversion)
(None going, but on the 'to-do' list)
 
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#9 ·
On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

> Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why
> not work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed
> for future generations?


Wouldn't that be nice? Unfortunately it won't happen, as an example I
read an article in "The Field" magazine about off-roading where it
talked about hordes of 4x4 users causing massive damage all over the
countryside, likened the sound of 4x4s to "a low-flying jet plane" and
said that to all 4x4 users, it's "all about the mud" and so on. This
is a magazine aimed at farmers, shooters and country wannabe types.
You'll not find a single soul who wants to team up with fat blokes in
diesel trucks!

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
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#10 ·
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why
>>not work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed
>>for future generations?

>
>
> Wouldn't that be nice? Unfortunately it won't happen, as an example I
> read an article in "The Field" magazine about off-roading where it
> talked about hordes of 4x4 users causing massive damage all over the
> countryside, likened the sound of 4x4s to "a low-flying jet plane" and
> said that to all 4x4 users, it's "all about the mud" and so on. This
> is a magazine aimed at farmers, shooters and country wannabe types.
> You'll not find a single soul who wants to team up with fat blokes in
> diesel trucks!
>


Thats a real shame. All the farmers I know are only too willing to let
you drive/shoot on their property, as long as I phone them to make sure
no-one else is planning the same thing on the same day. Some of them
will even point you in the direction of their 'mud' to play in.

Next Wednesday I'm grabbing an old flatdeck Landcruiser and heading out
for some spotlight rabbit/possum shooting, across farmland.It should be
a fun night out with my boys (11 & 12) and a couple of mate's.

But I suppose NZ is years behind the UK when it comes to 4x4 access.

Like you say, it's inflammitory articles in magazines that people read
that give the wrong impression about 4x4's. People that write that type
of article often play the devil's advocate, just to try and get a
reaction, and have no 'real life' experiences of the things they write
about. Maybe you could contact the writer of the article and invite him
out to a 4x4 meeting, so he/she could see for themselves how much fun it
can be?

I'd love a landie that sounded like a low flying aircraft....I must
remember to remove any mufflers during a re-build.

You'll find heaps of company down here, where everyone teams up with fat
blokes in diesel trucks!

Brian NZ
 
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#11 ·
On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

> Maybe you could contact the writer of the article and invite him out
> to a 4x4 meeting, so he/she could see for themselves how much fun it
> can be?


People try that kind of thing from time to time, what tends to happen
is that you'll tootle along for ages through nice lanes and across
hard ground, with the occasional picture being taken, but when you get
to a muddy bit those pictures are the ones that get printed in the
magazine.

There was also an article in a recent GLASS magazine in which the
article talked about a piece that had been written for a local
newspaper about damage on a lane, accompanied in the newspaper by
pictures of a heavily rutted and deeply gouged piece of land with
muddy banks etc, but the pictures were from a dedicated off-road site
and weren't from the lane at all. The chap from the GLASS magazine
contacted the local paper and they admitted that an "error" had been
made but no correction was printed.

It seems to be best to try to keep well away from the press and to
hope that they'll forget we exist, otherwise they just make up crap
stories and we don't have any means to compensate for their dishonesty
as there's too few of us and no-one believes us. Pictures of people
standing in foot-deep ruts that are too deep for a 4x4 aren't uncommon
under headings about damage caused by off-roaders. I do find it
extremely irritating and deeply unfair but at the moment have more
pressing matters on hand, I haven't even been off-road for many
months.

> You'll find heaps of company down here, where everyone teams up with fat
> blokes in diesel trucks!


A bit far to come unfortunately ;-)

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
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#12 ·
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-11-09, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe you could contact the writer of the article and invite him out
>>to a 4x4 meeting, so he/she could see for themselves how much fun it
>>can be?

>
>
> People try that kind of thing from time to time, what tends to happen
> is that you'll tootle along for ages through nice lanes and across
> hard ground, with the occasional picture being taken, but when you get
> to a muddy bit those pictures are the ones that get printed in the
> magazine.
>
> There was also an article in a recent GLASS magazine in which the
> article talked about a piece that had been written for a local
> newspaper about damage on a lane, accompanied in the newspaper by
> pictures of a heavily rutted and deeply gouged piece of land with
> muddy banks etc, but the pictures were from a dedicated off-road site
> and weren't from the lane at all. The chap from the GLASS magazine
> contacted the local paper and they admitted that an "error" had been
> made but no correction was printed.



That sucks! It's bad enough getting blamed for damage, but to print
pictures from a different site is bordering on criminal. That sort of
reporting pisses me off.


>
> It seems to be best to try to keep well away from the press and to
> hope that they'll forget we exist, otherwise they just make up crap
> stories and we don't have any means to compensate for their dishonesty
> as there's too few of us and no-one believes us. Pictures of people
> standing in foot-deep ruts that are too deep for a 4x4 aren't uncommon
> under headings about damage caused by off-roaders. I do find it
> extremely irritating and deeply unfair but at the moment have more
> pressing matters on hand, I haven't even been off-road for many
> months.



I never realised things had got so grim up there. You might as well go
out there and live up to your reputation, making as much mess as
possible. They are going to ban you soon anyway........

Don't let them get to you and i hope you get offroad soon. (Do a few
laps around your house, and roll in the wheel tracks, you'll feel better
immediately)


>
>
>>You'll find heaps of company down here, where everyone teams up with fat
>>blokes in diesel trucks!

>
>
> A bit far to come unfortunately ;-)
>



Only three months by sailboat :) .......We had an old Morris Oxford
turn up in Oxford (NZ), that had driven down from Oxford (UK) (with a
couple of sea crossings), so nothings impossible.

A fat bastard.....(who ate all the pies....)
Brian NZ
 
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#13 ·
Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in news:slrndn5416.dni.news05
@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk:

> There was also an article in a recent GLASS magazine in which the
> article talked about a piece that had been written for a local
> newspaper about damage on a lane, accompanied in the newspaper by
> pictures of a heavily rutted and deeply gouged piece of land with
> muddy banks etc, but the pictures were from a dedicated off-road site
> and weren't from the lane at all. The chap from the GLASS magazine
> contacted the local paper and they admitted that an "error" had been
> made but no correction was printed.


Sorry, I am totally unsympathetic!

Misreporting ought to be followed up. Tell the editor you will be making a
formal complaint to the Press Complaints Commission if they do not publish
a correction.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/index2.html

If you don't complain, you really have no right to grumble about a bad
press.

Derry
 
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#14 ·
In message <slrndn4ift.dni.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>
Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:

> On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
> > or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
> > horses.

>
> The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
> that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
> Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
> from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
> horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
>


And they formed an "alliance" with the BDS (British Driving
Society) to allow horse-drawn vehicles to use some unsurfaced
rights of way (some new catagory - can't remember what they call it),
this prevented the carriage driving fraternatity having to support
other off-road users.

Richard
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#15 ·
In message <dktmig$2i6$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>
Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

> Ian Rawlings wrote:
> > On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
> >>or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
> >>horses.

> >
> >
> > The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
> > that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
> > Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
> > from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
> > horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
> >

>
>
> Falling for the old 'divide and conquer' routine that govt's. have been
> using for centuries, to keep the peasants at each others throats, while
> ignoring the fact it is the lawmakers who 'created' the problem in the
> first place (by trying to restrict access).
>
> Rather than try and ban each other from your chosen pastimes, why not
> work together and make sure that access for all is gauranteed for future
> generations?
>
> Iv'e already watched as firearms restrictions crippled that sport, and
> hunting restrictions cause an uproar, but the bill was passed. Surely
> it's time for all outdoors types to get together to try and save what
> little rights you have left, and become one big lobby group, rather than
> lots of little 'special interest' groups that get ignored?
>
> Just wondering.....
>
> Brian NZ
>


Minority special interest groups only get a look in if those they
represent are of non-European background, are children or, to
selected extent, disabled - and "the Arts".
That might seem cynical, but it's true as far as I can see.

Whether we like it or not, off-roaders (that is, those of us who
enjoy off-road driving) are unpopular with the general public. We
have a severe image problem, which we seem unwilling to address.

Richard
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#16 ·
On 2005-11-10, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

> That sucks! It's bad enough getting blamed for damage, but to print
> pictures from a different site is bordering on criminal. That sort
> of reporting pisses me off.


It's the most common kind of reporting that goes on regarding
off-roading in this supposedly "Just and Tolerant" society that I keep
hearing we live in. They don't bother to mention the tiny amount of
land we have at our disposal and that the majority of lanes are in
good condition, most of the lanes I've ever driven show either farm
damage or are overgrown.

I'm intending to move overseas to escape this kind of thing one day
but most people from overseas who I've met have told me that they like
England because it's so unrestrictive! I wouldn't be surprised if I
moved somewhere else to find that after a few years I'd noticed
irritating restrictions in other areas of life that caused me to move
back ;-)

> I never realised things had got so grim up there. You might as well
> go out there and live up to your reputation, making as much mess as
> possible. They are going to ban you soon anyway........


I'm not really into making mess, but if they do ban us completely then
it's just going to make those of us who know what really goes on
decide to screw the lot of them, take the number plates off and just
drive the lanes anyway.

I don't think that a total ban is likely though, the government in
most areas does make sure that we get our say, however the way with
governments is that if there are laws that force them to do something
they don't want to do then if the laws get used too much they pass
amendments to bypass them. For example, it used to be the case that
if you were caught speeding by a speed camera, you had to be notified
by registered post otherwise it could not be assumed that you received
the notification of charges. That was too expensive though so an
amendment was passed to state that all the police had to do was say
that a letter had been sent and it was assumed that you had received
it. Cost is more important that justice provided that the people who
are being wronged are unpopular, e.g. people accused of speeding
(wether justified or not), or hairy fat blokes in muddy trucks.

> Don't let them get to you and i hope you get offroad soon. (Do a few
> laps around your house, and roll in the wheel tracks, you'll feel better
> immediately)


I'll just roll around in my lounge, that's good enough, must finish
that decorating!

> Only three months by sailboat :) .......We had an old Morris Oxford
> turn up in Oxford (NZ), that had driven down from Oxford (UK) (with a
> couple of sea crossings), so nothings impossible.


There's an article about that in this month's Classic And Sports Car
magazine, I've not read it yet, but there can't be too many Morris
Oxfords making that trip so I assume it's the same one!

--
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#17 ·
On 2005-11-10, beamendsltd <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote:

> Whether we like it or not, off-roaders (that is, those of us who
> enjoy off-road driving) are unpopular with the general public. We
> have a severe image problem, which we seem unwilling to address.


Well what with driving 4x4s so we get lumped in with the Chelsea
Tractor crowd, being white, grown-up and male I think we've not got
much of a chance ;-)

We could shave and lose weight I suppose... Naah!

--
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#18 ·
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:50:19 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<beamendsltd@btconnect.com> scribbled the following nonsense:

>In message <slrndn4ift.dni.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>
> Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
>> > or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
>> > horses.

>>
>> The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
>> that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
>> Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
>> from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
>> horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
>>

>
>And they formed an "alliance" with the BDS (British Driving
>Society) to allow horse-drawn vehicles to use some unsurfaced
>rights of way (some new catagory - can't remember what they call it),
>this prevented the carriage driving fraternatity having to support
>other off-road users.
>



restricted byway is the term you are looking for
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis
 
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#19 ·
In message <rvt6n11eqdu5r2naotdtvvder96m62ttc8@4ax.com>
Simon Isaacs <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:50:19 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
> >In message <slrndn4ift.dni.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>
> > Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2005-11-08, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Indeed, I've seen lanes that are completely unusable either by vehicle
> >> > or by pedestrian because they've been chewed into a quagmire by
> >> > horses.
> >>
> >> The Rambliars Manifesto that used to be on their website used to state
> >> that where horse users impacted on a bridleway that Rambliars
> >> Association users liked, they'd petition the council to ban horses
> >> from it. They tend not to publicise that one so much any more as
> >> horses are cuddly and "natural" to the idle do-as-I-say types.
> >>

> >
> >And they formed an "alliance" with the BDS (British Driving
> >Society) to allow horse-drawn vehicles to use some unsurfaced
> >rights of way (some new catagory - can't remember what they call it),
> >this prevented the carriage driving fraternatity having to support
> >other off-road users.
> >

>
>
> restricted byway is the term you are looking for


That's the baby....

Richard
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#20 ·
Ian Rawlings wrote:

> I'm intending to move overseas to escape this kind of thing one day
> but most people from overseas who I've met have told me that they like
> England because it's so unrestrictive! I wouldn't be surprised if I
> moved somewhere else to find that after a few years I'd noticed
> irritating restrictions in other areas of life that caused me to move
> back ;-)


If you think England is unrestrictive, you'd love NZ!

Good climate and good people with a great lifestyle. We need immigrants
to keep the place ticking over.

We even speak English (It may not be the 'Queens English' ,but you can
understand it, unless wev'e been drinking.)

Of course, politicians are the same world wide, but down here you just
pay your tax and ignore them.

.......and fat bastards driving diesels are the norm.....If you need to
go home if it becomes restrictive, no problems, but I bet you'd stay if
you got here.

NZ is becoming more like Canada, while Aussie is becoming America's
'mini-me'.

The main difference between Aussie's and NZers is that when our
ancestors left England, they were hand-cuffed, while we were hand picked!

Brian NZ
 
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#21 ·
Brian wrote:
> Ian Rawlings wrote:
> The main difference between Aussie's and NZers is that when our
> ancestors left England, they were hand-cuffed, while we were hand
> picked!


Now where was it I read that if a NZer emigrates to Aus it increases
the average IQ of both countries?

I'm not tempted.

nigelH
 
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#22 ·
Nigel Hewitt wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
>>Ian Rawlings wrote:
>>The main difference between Aussie's and NZers is that when our
>>ancestors left England, they were hand-cuffed, while we were hand
>>picked!

>
>
> Now where was it I read that if a NZer emigrates to Aus it increases
> the average IQ of both countries?
>
> I'm not tempted.
>
> nigelH
>
>


I can't argure with that. I makes sense to me, a low IQ Kiwi is brighter
than a high IQ Aussie........

But the way things are going, I can see the old joke "Will the last
person to leave NZ please turn out the light" making a comeback.......

What NZ really needs is someone that can make Series Landrover chassis
from scratch (at a reasonable price of course). I see 'dead' Landie's
everywhere that need a home, and the majority of them are complete, but
have rusted out chassis's. Iv'e only got a 1/4 acre section, but Iv'e
already got five Landie's stashed on it. This weekend I'm off around the
coast to do a deal on two more....A SIII LWB diesel and a SIIA SWB (both
with hardtops) for $500 NZ (under 200 pounds). Of course, neither have
been started in the last ????? years and I'm going to have to cut them
out of a hedge, but what the hell.....I just like the look of them and
they make great playhouses for kids.


Brian NZ
 
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#23 ·
Nigel Hewitt wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
>>Ian Rawlings wrote:
>>The main difference between Aussie's and NZers is that when our
>>ancestors left England, they were hand-cuffed, while we were hand
>>picked!

>
>
> Now where was it I read that if a NZer emigrates to Aus it increases
> the average IQ of both countries?
>
> I'm not tempted.


Former NZ PM Rob Muldoon made that observation many years ago. And I'm
not overly tempted to emigrate to Aus either - too many nasty,
poisonous, slithering, biting, obnoxious things there (like snakes,
spiders and so forth).


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#24 ·
Brian wrote:
>
> What NZ really needs is someone that can make Series Landrover chassis
> from scratch (at a reasonable price of course). I see 'dead' Landie's
> everywhere that need a home, and the majority of them are complete, but
> have rusted out chassis's. Iv'e only got a 1/4 acre section, but Iv'e
> already got five Landie's stashed on it. This weekend I'm off around the
> coast to do a deal on two more....A SIII LWB diesel and a SIIA SWB (both
> with hardtops) for $500 NZ (under 200 pounds). Of course, neither have
> been started in the last ????? years and I'm going to have to cut them
> out of a hedge, but what the hell.....I just like the look of them and
> they make great playhouses for kids.


I've looked into making chassis - but the demand isn't there to justify
me getting set up with a decent jig to do them. And even then I'd be
hard pressed to make them at a decent price compared to buying a bulk
lot from one of the UK manufacturers and shipping them here.

At the moment Richards Chassis will sell you a single galvanised SIII
SWB chassis for 540 quid which is about $1400. Even with shipping and
paying GST to get it into the country I'd expect the total to be under
$2500 for a one-off shipment. When I priced making one up a while ago
the numbers were looking like that for doing them in low volumes here
(and that was allowing my time at a discount to our usual charge out rate).

Incidentally, if you want an easily repairable SIII SWB chassis with
live registration let me know as I've got one here (Auckland).


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#25 ·
EMB wrote:

> I've looked into making chassis - but the demand isn't there to justify
> me getting set up with a decent jig to do them. And even then I'd be
> hard pressed to make them at a decent price compared to buying a bulk
> lot from one of the UK manufacturers and shipping them here.


Even if I could get the 'pain in the arse' parts of the chassis (front
spring hangers, and rear cross member/bumper) it would be a help, but
I'm sick of patching chassis's, chasing one rusted out section after
another....


>
> At the moment Richards Chassis will sell you a single galvanised SIII
> SWB chassis for 540 quid which is about $1400. Even with shipping and
> paying GST to get it into the country I'd expect the total to be under
> $2500 for a one-off shipment. When I priced making one up a while ago
> the numbers were looking like that for doing them in low volumes here
> (and that was allowing my time at a discount to our usual charge out rate).



Iv'e seen the galv. chassis in the pommie mags, but, like you say, the
price to get them down here is just too much.

Are there any chassis plans available, or would you just do a measure up
and copy an existing one? I'm a draftie, and wouldn't mind getting some
costs on getting all the chassis parts plasma cut locally.


>
> Incidentally, if you want an easily repairable SIII SWB chassis with
> live registration let me know as I've got one here (Auckland).
>
>


I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard 'easily reparable'! It's
like a 'handymans dream' when it comes to housing.....BUT.....How much
do you want for it? I don't mind travelling to pick up bits. The short
wheelbase SIII I have, I towed down from Waipapa in the Bay of Islands
to Inglewood in Taranaki. A bit of a mission.....

Thanks
Brian NZ
 
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#26 ·
Brian wrote:

> Even if I could get the 'pain in the arse' parts of the chassis (front
> spring hangers, and rear cross member/bumper) it would be a help, but
> I'm sick of patching chassis's, chasing one rusted out section after
> another....


By the time you make them up, and then actually disassemble things
enough to fit them properly, line them up accurately and weld them in it
gets expensive - I recently made and fitted a rear 1/4 chassis to a SWB,
and it turned into an expensive job.

> Iv'e seen the galv. chassis in the pommie mags, but, like you say, the
> price to get them down here is just too much.
>
> Are there any chassis plans available, or would you just do a measure up
> and copy an existing one? I'm a draftie, and wouldn't mind getting some
> costs on getting all the chassis parts plasma cut locally.


I believe there's some plans available in Autocad format somewhere on
the net - someone here may know of the source. Otherwise I'd measure
one up and go from there. The biggest expense is building a jig to make
them up in so that they don't twist when being welded. When I looked at
it I got the feeling that you'd blow a big hole in $6K making a decent jig.

I've just (last 10 minutes) been talking to my tame sheet metal shop
about prices for plasma cutting a chassis. We came up with $300 to cut
out all the requisite bits, but that was a real stab in the dark so the
actual price could be quite different once the job is done.


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