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Old 07-13-2005, 15:02   #1 (permalink)
Al
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Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

The inspector said that my '71 XKE fails for the front suspension. He
says it is too loose. It passed a year ago and only has 80 more miles on
it.

At one time, they had to gauge it to prove it was too loose, now the DMV
document says" Reject a vehicle with excessive play......that would
affect proper steering." What is the definition of "excessive?" And what
does this inspector know about 34 year old Jags anyway?

Anyone have any ideas?

Al
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Old 07-13-2005, 15:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

Al,
The first question is whether it is the steering rack or the suspension.
Either can make your steering squirrelly. How did they make the
determination? Did they drive it? Did they explain what they meant?

A re-built steering rack with solve the problem if it is a steering rack
failure. That will run around $400USD plus freight, core charge and front
end alignment. Moist likely it is the rack but it is hard to tell over a
computer keyboard!!

If it is indeed a suspension problem, it is most likely a rubber
deterioration problem and possibly including upper or lower ball joints.
The parts are not all that expensive, but replacing all those little rubber
items can be time consuming and thus labor intensive.

If the Inspector did not give you and indication of where the problem lay,
then you either have to lift the front end to see if you can find the
problem or go to a Jag guy and have them do it. Contact someone in JANE and
see who is nearby that can help.

The other alternative is to register the car in a State where they don't
inspect cars that old. I keep my 1967 saloon in top condition, but they
eliminated all inspections for anything pre-1970 and only pat anything
pre-1995 on the hood and let it go. (lights, horn, tire tread and that's
it). Here they passed my '88 Jag with a steering rack so bad you had to
turn the steering wheel and 1/8th of a revolution before the wheels moved!!
Needless to say I didn't drive it much until I replaced the steering rack
and the rubber bits.

Webserve

"Al" <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote in message
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> The inspector said that my '71 XKE fails for the front suspension. He
> says it is too loose. It passed a year ago and only has 80 more miles on
> it.
>
> At one time, they had to gauge it to prove it was too loose, now the DMV
> document says" Reject a vehicle with excessive play......that would
> affect proper steering." What is the definition of "excessive?" And what
> does this inspector know about 34 year old Jags anyway?
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Al



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Old 07-13-2005, 15:02   #3 (permalink)
Al
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

In article <afcd8$42d57024$45282aca$9842@ALLTEL.NET>,
"webserve" <webserve00@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Al,
> The first question is whether it is the steering rack or the suspension.
> Either can make your steering squirrelly. How did they make the
> determination? Did they drive it? Did they explain what they meant?
>


Steering rack has less then 3000 miles on it. It was replaced when the
power steering nonsense was removed. They "test" it by jacking up the
car and wiggling the wheel. Believe me, I would know if the steering was
loose.

> A re-built steering rack with solve the problem if it is a steering rack
> failure. That will run around $400USD plus freight, core charge and front
> end alignment. Moist likely it is the rack but it is hard to tell over a
> computer keyboard!!
>
> If it is indeed a suspension problem, it is most likely a rubber
> deterioration problem and possibly including upper or lower ball joints.
> The parts are not all that expensive, but replacing all those little rubber
> items can be time consuming and thus labor intensive.
>


I don't recall if all the rubber bits were replaced when when the
steering rack was replaced.

> If the Inspector did not give you and indication of where the problem lay,
> then you either have to lift the front end to see if you can find the
> problem or go to a Jag guy and have them do it. Contact someone in JANE and
> see who is nearby that can help.
>


Well, that is on the agenda. But I can't believe that it went "bad"
after 80 miles of travel since the previous inspection.

> The other alternative is to register the car in a State where they don't
> inspect cars that old. I keep my 1967 saloon in top condition, but they
> eliminated all inspections for anything pre-1970 and only pat anything
> pre-1995 on the hood and let it go. (lights, horn, tire tread and that's
> it). Here they passed my '88 Jag with a steering rack so bad you had to
> turn the steering wheel and 1/8th of a revolution before the wheels moved!!
> Needless to say I didn't drive it much until I replaced the steering rack
> and the rubber bits.
>
> Webserve
>
> "Al" <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote in message
> news:no.spam-8AFC3D.14181113072005@news.verizon.net...
> > The inspector said that my '71 XKE fails for the front suspension. He
> > says it is too loose. It passed a year ago and only has 80 more miles on
> > it.
> >
> > At one time, they had to gauge it to prove it was too loose, now the DMV
> > document says" Reject a vehicle with excessive play......that would
> > affect proper steering." What is the definition of "excessive?" And what
> > does this inspector know about 34 year old Jags anyway?
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > Al

>
>

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Old 07-14-2005, 16:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

Take it back to Mr. Inspector and ask what, specifically, is loose, in
their opinion. Otherwise you're just playing a guessing game - at your
expense and aggravation. They could care less.

Tell 'em the rack was replaced only xxx miles ago and, at that time, all
was thought to be tip top and that you are a law abiding driver and
don't understand what, now, the problem could be.
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Old 07-14-2005, 16:02   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

In article <h9OdnfzUO7E2VEvfRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"T.G. Lambach" <tlambach@comcast.net> wrote:

> Take it back to Mr. Inspector and ask what, specifically, is loose, in
> their opinion. Otherwise you're just playing a guessing game - at your
> expense and aggravation. They could care less.
>
> Tell 'em the rack was replaced only xxx miles ago and, at that time, all
> was thought to be tip top and that you are a law abiding driver and
> don't understand what, now, the problem could be.


I tried to. But when I asked him what a torsion bar was, he was
clueless. I have to find another inspector.

I even dug out the paperwork for the job, but I'm not going back there.

This is also the first time ever that I saw them check the windshield
sprayer. And it really is part of the inspection; I looked it up.

So I had to take the one out of the Jag and refurbish it as it hadn't
had water in it for about 20 years. I only drive it under perfect
weather conditions. So now I have the sprayer back in service.

Al
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Old 07-15-2005, 22:02   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:56:06 GMT, Al <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote:

>This is also the first time ever that I saw them check the windshield
>sprayer. And it really is part of the inspection; I looked it up.


What bullshit! Time to start contacting your elected representatives.


>So I had to take the one out of the Jag and refurbish it as it hadn't
>had water in it for about 20 years. I only drive it under perfect
>weather conditions. So now I have the sprayer back in service.
>
>Al


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Old 07-16-2005, 07:02   #7 (permalink)
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"Al" <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote in message
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> The inspector said that my '71 XKE fails for the front suspension. He
> says it is too loose. It passed a year ago and only has 80 more miles on
> it.
>
> At one time, they had to gauge it to prove it was too loose, now the DMV
> document says" Reject a vehicle with excessive play......that would
> affect proper steering." What is the definition of "excessive?" And what
> does this inspector know about 34 year old Jags anyway?
>
> Anyone have any ideas?


One more reason not to live in the East. MOVE!


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Old 07-16-2005, 10:02   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Massachusetts saftety inspection failure

THAT doesn't make any sense!!
Many of the States in the East don't have inspections for ANY cars much less
the number of States that don't have inspections for older cars.

What's the alternative?? A West Coast California inspection??

Webserve




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> "Al" <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote in message
> news:no.spam-8AFC3D.14181113072005@news.verizon.net...
> > The inspector said that my '71 XKE fails for the front suspension. He
> > says it is too loose. It passed a year ago and only has 80 more miles on
> > it.
> >
> > At one time, they had to gauge it to prove it was too loose, now the DMV
> > document says" Reject a vehicle with excessive play......that would
> > affect proper steering." What is the definition of "excessive?" And what
> > does this inspector know about 34 year old Jags anyway?
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?

>
> One more reason not to live in the East. MOVE!
>
>



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Old 07-17-2005, 13:02   #9 (permalink)
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"webserve" <webserve00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> THAT doesn't make any sense!!
> Many of the States in the East don't have inspections for ANY cars much
> less
> the number of States that don't have inspections for older cars.
>
> What's the alternative?? A West Coast California inspection??>


Most western states abolished these rip-off "inspections" years ago, having
corretly determined they accomplished nothing but political patronage.
(California is it's own collective lunatic fringe and can't be compared to
anything.)


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