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Re: Is the 302 Windsor a good motor?

Cool thanks guys. The reason I ask is that I have seen some standard EFI Windsor's go and they appear to be very very average performers in stock form. I remember seeing one at Motorvation trying to turn the tyres and he couldn't even do a half decent skid. I know they have lots of potential I was just wondering how much. It seems that with bolt-ons you can get plenty out of them. Once again thanks for the response.


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Ive done 60'000 km since i bought it and 110 000km by the owner before me i have no idea of the torture it must have been but can say that its been an extremely reliable motor. I drive it all week and theres not one day where i dont put my foot down...it goes through a heavy workout regime and the only problems Ive had are leaky timing cover and water pump gaskets, worn hoses and harmonic balancer...and yes if you read my other thread a recent oil pressure issue.. but other then that nothing. No oil consumption, no overheating and no black smoke.

As for performance i would say it takes a bit of work to get them movin, EB - EL V8s are the worst, with stock HO Manifold and E7 heads these are the most restrictive parts of the engine and are also the most expensive parts to replace the good news is theres a lot of aftermarket parts to choose from FMS, AFR, TFS, Edelbrock to name a few. In stock form i think you would be hard pressed to pull more than 150rwkw and a high 14 sec 1/4 mile.

AU models are much better though with smaller pulleys, no EGR, aluminuim rockers, explorer manifold standard through the range, port matched if its a series III XR8, GT40P heads and bigger cam.....the list goes on.

The only real gripe i have with the windsor is its a weak block for big horspower....and by that i mean 400+hp...but even then you can get an aftermarket block.

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Wtf do you expect on here????
They only do 550.000 klrs before total overhaul...

The trouble is they don't rattle like the gen lll's which Holden say isn't a problem so they must be right...
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Cool thanks guys. The reason I ask is that I have seen some standard EFI Windsor's go and they appear to be very very average performers in stock form. I remember seeing one at Motorvation trying to turn the tyres and he couldn't even do a half decent skid. I know they have lots of potential I was just wondering how much. It seems that with bolt-ons you can get plenty out of them. Once again thanks for the response.


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The World Burnout Champion aka Garry Myers - black 66 mustang blown runs a little windsor
"rev em up"
Also pulled 170 mph on the salt at lake gardener in the same car
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Re: Is the 302 Windsor a good motor?

I think the application is an important issue.

They are a small engine, they fit almost everywhere, and up until recently were still being made.

A pro-stock racer i know is using an 8.7 deck windsor at the moment, and it sees 11,000 rpm and over 1000 hp and the math on the rod stroke ratio must be spot on, he has never lunched the engine.

The windsor is so good, that tega had to make an allowance for holden to use a similar format.

it would have been cheaper for holden just to put the windsor in it.
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Re: Is the 302 Windsor a good motor?

if they make the boss for another 30 years, then maybe that will be a better motor....

but so far the ol' windsor has done us all proud. I love 'em. and i love mine cause it's the best factory incarnation of one (although I guess it's not a 302)
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if they make the boss for another 30 years, then maybe that will be a better motor....

but so far the ol' windsor has done us all proud. I love 'em. and i love mine cause it's the best factory incarnation of one (although I guess it's not a 302)
Its still a 302 block...and yes the best incarnation ever...now all Series III T3 owners should go the same way laminge did....and get a blower.

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Um his is an R302, but yes still a Windsor..
Blower or turbo !!!!

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